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Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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What... Is the appeal of brave ? I hear it has crypto and shit but why not install Firefox with ubo and be done with it? I feel the "cool" factor of brave is silly as they are just fueling chromium. Why don't these chromium forks base on Firefox instead and do some leg work with the benefit of helping the internet as a whole ? I hear someone said on hn a long time ago, building on ff is a pita. Well guess what, Firef…

On mobile it is really good because of the builtin adblocker + chromium engine makes it very fast. It also has background play on Youtube. On desktop it is less useful. But probably still better privacy vise than Edge or Chrome.

You use brave on mobile for background playing YouTube? If you are on android, do you know newpipe exists? Or for vanilla youtuber users, there is vanced.

About mobile adblocking, doesn't Firefox android have ubo and a few more addons?

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That’s not true re the Safari ad blocker ecosystem. We develop a Safari ad blocker [1] that works on iOS and macOS which provides performant and private ad blocking. Unlike previous ad blockers using other extension mechanisms, it also can’t see which web pages you visit. We recently released best in class YouTube ad blocking features too. The mechanisms for doing this is different, but the ad blocking results are as…

did you ever notice how the only people who ever say anything positive about Safari's adblock ecosystem are those who literally sell adblocker software? It is like clockwork. Despite the fact that most of your posts on HN are ads for magiclasso, the fact remains that even most basic features (like whitelisting or blocking cookie banners) require payment. Furthermore, you do not even come close to uBlock origin. Of co…

I mean, it’s anecdotal, but all those features are ones I never knew existed and I’ve used ublock origin for years.

I was always fine with _some_ ads but eventually got ublock when the internet hit this critical mass of being all ads all the time. If safari adblockers can keep the browser experience _mostly_ ad free out of the box then they are equivalent to me as an unsophisticated user at least

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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I was driven back to Firefox the second I noticed that Chrome had started logging me into my Google account. Been using it happily ever since (FF on MacOS). The only time I open Chrome now is to test websites I'm working on.

That may be a deal breaker for you. But for others it's a necessary feature! Firefox added it as a feature and I love it! And I say that as a person with a very anti-Google stance. Perhaps it's an area that is ripe for disruption but without using the browser or Javascript.

They already did this once before by merging Youtube account usernames with Gmail usernames. For me personally, Strike 2 == Strike 3.

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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As someone who is intimately familiar with the Chrome extensions internals and is not employed by a big tech company, I believe most of the changes seem like a step in the right direction.* I've been working towards implementing greater support for Chrome extensions in Electron which has involved reading and interacting with Chromium code [0]. - Using service workers instead of a hidden background webpage is more idi…

I remember some people saying Safari's extension changes and specific content blocker API would be a good thing because ad blockers would use less resources. The change happened, uBlock Origin broke for Safari and here we are several years later and the Safari ad blocker ecosystem is an absolute joke and most of it barely works or demands subscription fees (and the ones that do are certainly not worth paying for beca…

wait, why do you think you're entitled to watch YT and neither pay a penny nor be shown an advertisement? Because "the system is rigged bruh"?

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Duckduckgo had been running similar ads on Texas billboards. Not specifically regarding ads, but about the value of not being tracked. Offline anti-ads may be the means to get around the FAANG wall. Edit for clarity

DDG is also doing heavy radio advertising. I don't normally listen to commercial radio, but my kids like these morning DJs for the ride to school, so I get to hear it.

They are occasionally listed as a sponsor on NPR programming as well.

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While I agree with you in general, I'd like to comment on > It's not like everyone's clamoring for their ad blockers to use less resource or for Chrome to be faster. some people do: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28672377 - "Brave reduces the page load performance cost of its adblocker" original article having some impressive improvement numbers.

What's strange is my adblocker makes everything run faster. So making the ad blocker faster at the cost of being less reliable seems like the whole system will be slower in general.

> making the ad blocker faster

Does anyone seriously believe that an advertising company wants to improve the performance of ad blockers? It's obvious what Google is doing.

If you want to see where things are going in the long run, look at Chrome for Android where you can't install ad-blockers at all.

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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> and the ones that do are certainly not worth paying for because they don't even block YT ads AdGuard can[1] but it’s a cumbersome process. 1Blocker had to develop a bespoke solution but it works seamlessly[2]. [1]: https://adguard.com/en/article/how-to-block-ads-on-youtube.h... [2]: https://backstage.1blocker.com/how-to-block-youtube-ads-in-s...

AdBlock Pro for Safari also blocks YT, but without much ado and without hacks. It just uses the old APIs for blocking video. The bulk of the blocking work, however, is still done by the recommended blocking API. So far Apple seems happy with that.

It's such twisted economics for somebody to make a video, a platform to distribute it and an adblocker company to reap the benefits through its subscription fees.

I'd argue the same folks are ok with looting Neiman Marcus stores during some protests because "they've rigged the system and are all rich anyways"

Re: Google sets burial date for legacy Chrome Extensions, fears for ad-blockers grow

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Are they still planning to block for content scripts?

Website blocking extensions like my Productivity Owl (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/productivity-owl/e...) would be completely pointless if you have to allow it on every page you visit.

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As someone who is intimately familiar with the Chrome extensions internals and is not employed by a big tech company, I believe most of the changes seem like a step in the right direction.* I've been working towards implementing greater support for Chrome extensions in Electron which has involved reading and interacting with Chromium code [0]. - Using service workers instead of a hidden background webpage is more idi…

> the changes seem like a step in the right direction [...] However, that optimization costs so much for innovative ad blocking. This is fair. For an ad-blocker to be effective today it needs to be invasive, and that doesn't apply to most extensions. It is too easy to grant invasive privileges to v2 extensions for those that do not understand the consequences. Downloading a whole new browser on the other hand is a fa…

I don't think that will work because Google controls Chromium. They will play a long game to sabotage the abilities of smaller Chromium browsers to block ads. Advertising is their business model and they have a lot of money to spend on crushing smaller browsers that have a different vision of what the Web should be.

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I remember some people saying Safari's extension changes and specific content blocker API would be a good thing because ad blockers would use less resources. The change happened, uBlock Origin broke for Safari and here we are several years later and the Safari ad blocker ecosystem is an absolute joke and most of it barely works or demands subscription fees (and the ones that do are certainly not worth paying for beca…

wait, why do you think you're entitled to watch YT and neither pay a penny nor be shown an advertisement? Because "the system is rigged bruh"?

I own my device and I get to decide what it is and is not allowed to load and display, that simple. Also, implied contracts aren't a thing.
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