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Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip factory race heats up

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Re: Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip factory race heats up

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Doesn't chip making a lot of water, most of it in Arizona is fed by Lake Mead? The same reservoir that is at 30% capacity, with acute water shortages and with 4 years of increased precipitation necessary for an adequate refill. We are adding a chip making facility which needs a lot of water here? This sounds like a recipe for disaster whenever there is a period of water stress which appears to be occurring in that re…

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Re: Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip factory race heats up

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Doesn't chip making a lot of water, most of it in Arizona is fed by Lake Mead? The same reservoir that is at 30% capacity, with acute water shortages and with 4 years of increased precipitation necessary for an adequate refill. We are adding a chip making facility which needs a lot of water here? This sounds like a recipe for disaster whenever there is a period of water stress which appears to be occurring in that re…

Can they create a water pipeline from elsewhere? Crazy, but not that far out. Oil and gas is transported this way.

Society pays significantly more for a gallon of oil than water. Water can cost less than a cent in some municipalities. Building a pipeline would increase that cost 100x easily

Re: Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip factory race heats up

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Doesn't chip making a lot of water, most of it in Arizona is fed by Lake Mead? The same reservoir that is at 30% capacity, with acute water shortages and with 4 years of increased precipitation necessary for an adequate refill. We are adding a chip making facility which needs a lot of water here? This sounds like a recipe for disaster whenever there is a period of water stress which appears to be occurring in that re…

The general perception of Arizona is that of a desert. But did you know that Arizona has ski resorts? The Rocky Mountains extend into Arizona and they get snow in the winter. >90% of Arizona's water comes from snow melt.

Re: Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip factory race heats up

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Forgive my ignorance, but wouldn't you want to build a semiconductor fabrication factory somewhere cold? Or is it because Arizona is dry? (honest questions, I don't know what impacts the location of a fab)

Arizona is a place where, with enough investment (like the billions here) power can be extremely green and cheap, with solar. Needing a huge amount of air conditioning is not a problem when it coincides with the moment the sun is pouring huge amounts of energy into your solar array.

this leaves out the issues with the large amounts of water needed for semiconductor fabrication, although another commenter noted that Arizona has pretty good water management (I guess this includes recycling?)

Re: Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip factory race heats up

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Forgive my ignorance, but wouldn't you want to build a semiconductor fabrication factory somewhere cold? Or is it because Arizona is dry? (honest questions, I don't know what impacts the location of a fab)

You don’t need a large constant source of water. It’s a bit like filling a very large swimming pool. They also already have plants down there and it works for them because AZ is surprisingly shielded from natural disasters. Also they can utilize solar power down there.

Re: Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip factory race heats up

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Doesn't chip making a lot of water, most of it in Arizona is fed by Lake Mead? The same reservoir that is at 30% capacity, with acute water shortages and with 4 years of increased precipitation necessary for an adequate refill. We are adding a chip making facility which needs a lot of water here? This sounds like a recipe for disaster whenever there is a period of water stress which appears to be occurring in that re…

Can they create a water pipeline from elsewhere? Crazy, but not that far out. Oil and gas is transported this way.

Anecdotal but I have a friend who is an engineer in water treatment and he said pipelines aren’t a silver bullet for two reasons:

1. They are leaky so you end up paying more for the same amount of water

2. Wherever you are buying the water from (the source of the pipeline) knows their water is valuable and can charge more

Re: Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip factory race heats up

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Next time the communication department says "less is more", I'll explode. Do we really need to produce more IC's ? Can't we just limit the demand a bit ?

Can't we make washing machines, cars, bikes, fridges, dish washers, coffee machines,... without IC's ? My Core2 Duo is 12 years old and I still use it 8 hours a day, do I really need a new generation CPU ?

I understand that global economy (and thus employment and other important stuff) rely on the trade of IC's but do we really need so much more ?

(kiddo's have been waiting their PS5 for 9 months now, but is that a insurmountable problem?)

Not to say that IC's are bad (I'm CS :-)) but just asking if the current IC shortage may be a good time to think about the sustainability of our appetite, or if it's the good time to think about living in a world with actual limits...

Re: Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip factory race heats up

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Forgive my ignorance, but wouldn't you want to build a semiconductor fabrication factory somewhere cold? Or is it because Arizona is dry? (honest questions, I don't know what impacts the location of a fab)

You already need extreme climate and dust control don't think the location will matter that much.

Re: Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip factory race heats up

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Doesn't chip making a lot of water, most of it in Arizona is fed by Lake Mead? The same reservoir that is at 30% capacity, with acute water shortages and with 4 years of increased precipitation necessary for an adequate refill. We are adding a chip making facility which needs a lot of water here? This sounds like a recipe for disaster whenever there is a period of water stress which appears to be occurring in that re…

Microchips are a more strategic resource than water.

I would not be surprised if even using tanker caravans to bring water from Utah is an option for chip production.

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