That's one of the least subtle things I've ever seen and I've been following some of this for a while.
Fallout begins for far-right trolls who trusted Epik to keep identities secret
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#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
If he was wrongly fired he can fight that in court. Sane public health policy: X is more dangerous that Y. Insane publish health policy: secret government fake pandemic
There's nothing to fight in court, in USA it's completely legal to fire someone for their political beliefs in the "at will employment" states. The argument against similar actions during Red Scare and Moral Majority is not that they were illegal but that now in hindsight we see that they were wrong , despite fitting the governing moral/political desires of the time, so similar acts should be avoided in future and pe…
Re: Fallout begins for far-right trolls who trusted Epik to keep identities secret
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
My point was that if a solution was battle tested to withstand the scrutiny that the ne'er-do-wells encourage, then random person who knows nothing can feel comfortable that their use of the technology is also secure. It's kind of like calling something "military-grade". In addition I also qualified the statement to ensure that your second point was covered, that overhead could restrict it's use.
You actually hit the nail on the head there: It is a lot like calling something "military grade". Military grade is not something regular people want! Military grade is clunky, cumbersome and problematic for reasons that are a tradeoff for things that matter a lot to the military, but which are not an issue at all for regular people. You don't want your car to be covered in heavy armour. That gains you nothing and co…
Heavy armour gets you protection from firearms and some explosives. I wouldn't call that nothing.
*I know high value individuals that drive armored vehicles in the US.
Re: Fallout begins for far-right trolls who trusted Epik to keep identities secret
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you think a political opinion like 'taxes are too high and should be lowered" is on the same moral footing as misinformation like 'the holocaust did not really happen' ?
The issue isn't people's opinion. Was everyone whose privacy was violated saying "that the holocaust did not happen"? And who exactly is the arbiter of what's acceptable, if not the law? The issue is that the people who released this data were not law enforcers, they were vigilantes. Maybe some people hold vigilanties in high regard, but I don't. If someone says something you don't like or something you think is inac…
>If someone says something you don't like or something you think is inaccurate, reply to it, inform people of what's wrong and convince them of why you believe you are right
President Franklin Roosevelt’s secretary of state, Cordell Hull, wrote: "A lie will gallop halfway round the world before the truth has time to pull its breeches on."
Fighting misinformation is way harder than spreading it. Because misinformation spreads virally because it's clickbait and interesting, while fact checks are boring.
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The issue is that you’re implicitly trying to find a way to say that these people’s speech should be protected, while the free association rights of their bosses and colleagues should not be. Yes, that is what I am saying - I personally value right to choice of business association lower than right to speech. > There is no principled way to consider racist trolling free speech, but not also those calling for their…
I find the idea of being forced to associate with someone whose speech I find repugnant because you value their speech over my free association rights disconcerting.
Re: Fallout begins for far-right trolls who trusted Epik to keep identities secret
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
You actually hit the nail on the head there: It is a lot like calling something "military grade". Military grade is not something regular people want! Military grade is clunky, cumbersome and problematic for reasons that are a tradeoff for things that matter a lot to the military, but which are not an issue at all for regular people. You don't want your car to be covered in heavy armour. That gains you nothing and co…
>You don't want your car to be covered in heavy armour. That gains you nothing and costs you a lot. Heavy armour gets you protection from firearms and some explosives. I wouldn't call that nothing. *I know high value individuals that drive armored vehicles in the US.
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#127> Alayon told The Post that he does not own the “racisminc,” Holocaust-denial or other web addresses but declined to say if he had owned them in the past Njalla is a registrar that allows purchase of domain names with Monero and other cryptocurrencies. So this will never happen to any domain squatters and enterprisers here, as there would be no identifying information such as the kind needed to process credit card tr…
This is what cryptocurrencies are good for: Protecting and helping the absolute worst of humanity.
But if you value secure data, communications, and interactions, there's little better test than that those you'd least want to support would be able to use a tool without risk of being exposed by its use.
Because if they're able to, anyone with good intentions but who is at risk whether from establishment, corporate, criminal, or violent radical/reactionary actors, will be able to do so as well. Which I see as a societal good.
I'd like to see a world which does a better job of balancing legitimate common weal interests in accessing such information, whilst affording strong protections against general surveillance and fishing expeditions. I think we're terrifyingly far to the latter extreme, and that law-enforcement agency alarmism over "dark threats" is a case of crocodile tears.
Re: Fallout begins for far-right trolls who trusted Epik to keep identities secret
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
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> I picked the username because it was only a matter of time until somebody would accuse me of being a nazi - as is the norm these days for anybody who doesn't adhere to the mainstream leftist ideology. That confirms both that the username is trollish and that your purpose is to use HN for ideological battle, which is against the site guidelines. We ban accounts that break the site guidelines. If an account uses HN p…
Over several years, I have been called troll many times, just because I called out leftist conspiracy theories or misguided conceptions about economics. I think I have only called somebody an "idiot" once, and even that was quantified with "if you believe x, you are an idiot". I always try to explain patiently what is going on.
I don't recall you ever banning somebody for calling other people a "troll". I guess it is just such a normal reaction for lefties these days, anybody who disagrees with them has to be a troll. You have banned me several times for criticising socialism, though.
You yourself are calling people "trolls", so I guess you won't change your policies. And it is fine - pg handed the site over to you, so you can form it to your liking. Just don't pretend you are doing it for some higher values. You just don't like criticism of leftist ideology, that is all there is to it. As long as you don't ban people for spouting insults, spare me your "guidelines".
Bye
Re: Fallout begins for far-right trolls who trusted Epik to keep identities secret
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
If he was wrongly fired he can fight that in court. Sane public health policy: X is more dangerous that Y. Insane publish health policy: secret government fake pandemic
There's nothing to fight in court, in USA it's completely legal to fire someone for their political beliefs in the "at will employment" states. The argument against similar actions during Red Scare and Moral Majority is not that they were illegal but that now in hindsight we see that they were wrong , despite fitting the governing moral/political desires of the time, so similar acts should be avoided in future and pe…
The problem with being fired isn't because of views then, you'd think people with views that would get them fired would be working to get those laws changed.
Re: Fallout begins for far-right trolls who trusted Epik to keep identities secret
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
The issue isn't people's opinion. Was everyone whose privacy was violated saying "that the holocaust did not happen"? And who exactly is the arbiter of what's acceptable, if not the law? The issue is that the people who released this data were not law enforcers, they were vigilantes. Maybe some people hold vigilanties in high regard, but I don't. If someone says something you don't like or something you think is inac…
Loss of privacy has happened in the past, like with Wikileaks from which Pizzagate originated. >If someone says something you don't like or something you think is inaccurate, reply to it, inform people of what's wrong and convince them of why you believe you are right President Franklin Roosevelt’s secretary of state, Cordell Hull, wrote: "A lie will gallop halfway round the world before the truth has time to pull it…