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Canadian military saw pandemic as opportunity to test propaganda techniques

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Re: Canadian military saw pandemic as opportunity to test propaganda techniques

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What's the difference between propaganda and good PR?

I tend to think the word PR is the result of propaganda applied to the word propaganda. It isn't obvious to me that there is a good form of propaganda. Useful, perhaps, but not upright and positive.

Actually you arent wrong. It was either Ivy Lee or Edward Bernays who were the primary people behind the shift to "public relations". One of their first triumphs? Selling cigarettes to women as " freedom sticks".

It always cracks me up when I meet a pr person and ask about Ivy Lee and Edward Bernays and they dont know anything about them. Some sort of sadly delicious irony.

Re: Canadian military saw pandemic as opportunity to test propaganda techniques

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If you want to build trust, instead of propaganda, how about you lift the liability exemptions from the vaccine manufacturers. And lets see how far they're willing to push the vaccine, if they can be sued for causing harm.

If the vaccines cause no harm, they have nothing to worry about. Right. Then why the liability waver?

Instead we allowed the government to shift all the risk onto the public. And the military wants to drum up propaganda. You can't fool all the people all the time.

Re: Canadian military saw pandemic as opportunity to test propaganda techniques

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If you want to build trust, instead of propaganda, how about you lift the liability exemptions from the vaccine manufacturers. And lets see how far they're willing to push the vaccine, if they can be sued for causing harm. If the vaccines cause no harm, they have nothing to worry about. Right. Then why the liability waver? Instead we allowed the government to shift all the risk onto the public. And the military wants…

I'm not sure if you're invoking Bob Marley but if you are I salute you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2W3aG8uizA

Re: Canadian military saw pandemic as opportunity to test propaganda techniques

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Psst, folks. It's not just Canada that's doing this. Just sayin'. A lot of unsavory, freedom damaging shit is currently being enacted in the US under the same pretenses and distractions, too.

100%. We still have some very strong protections built into our Constitution, but we all know that we need to actively fight to keep them in place.

Re: Canadian military saw pandemic as opportunity to test propaganda techniques

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I couldn't find the actual report, but in the news reports I looked through, it seems they somehow tried to amplify "good" social media messages about covid (wear a mask, covid is dangerous, etc etc), and bolster the government's messages about covid?

Canadian here: if that's all they were doing, they were damaging the cause. The linked article also mentions suppression of military critics which is quite troubling. The military meddling with propaganda/info war on the population they are sworn to defend is just a giant breach of trust.

It's like the NSA monitoring domestic comms in the States, that's not why they exist - leave it to the FBI.

Re: Canadian military saw pandemic as opportunity to test propaganda techniques

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What's the difference between propaganda and good PR?

The term Public Relations was coined by Edward Bernays, whom wrote the incredibly influential book quite literally called 'Propaganda' in 1928. That should make it clear enough.

Bernays was also a director for the Committee on Public Information during World War 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_on_Public_Informatio...

“[George] Creel urged [Woodrow] Wilson to create a government agency to coordinate "not propaganda as the Germans defined it, but propaganda in the true sense of the word, meaning the 'propagation of faith.'"” à la https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregation_for_the_Evangeliz...

"Creel later published his memoirs of his service with the CPI, How We Advertised America, in which he wrote:

“In no degree was the Committee an agency of censorship, a machinery of concealment or repression. Its emphasis throughout was on the open and the positive. At no point did it seek or exercise authorities under those war laws that limited the freedom of speech and press. In all things, from first to last, without halt or change, it was a plain publicity proposition, a vast enterprise in salesmanship, the world's greatest adventures in advertising… We did not call it propaganda, for that word, in German hands, had come to be associated with deceit and corruption. Our effort was educational and informative throughout, for we had such confidence in our case as to feel that no other argument was needed than the simple, straightforward presentation of the facts.”"

Re: Canadian military saw pandemic as opportunity to test propaganda techniques

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Psst, folks. It's not just Canada that's doing this. Just sayin'. A lot of unsavory, freedom damaging shit is currently being enacted in the US under the same pretenses and distractions, too.

100%. We still have some very strong protections built into our Constitution, but we all know that we need to actively fight to keep them in place.

What's particularly irritating is we've been through a milder variant of all this already with 9/11 and Patriot Act, and yet it seems people have learned little to nothing at all. A cockatoo has a longer attention span than the Western public.

Re: Canadian military saw pandemic as opportunity to test propaganda techniques

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If the UK hasn't been doing the same thing I'll eat my hat.

It absolutely has. I maintain that without social media, which simultaneously provided a way into everyone's thoughts, and also contented people with a feeling of connectedness while living under house arrest conditions of historic proportions, people would have simply rejected the whole campaign of Covid restrictions.
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