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Canadian military saw pandemic as opportunity to test propaganda techniques
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Re: Canadian military saw pandemic as opportunity to test propaganda techniques
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. The War Measures Act [0] is a law that grants government powers in times of war or insurrection. There was, you guess it, an insurrection in the 70s [1] and the it was appropriately triggered. Also the whole article describes an operation that even senior military commanders were unaware of — what possible connection could there be to the PM? Pure dumb speculation.…
Didn't they end up not being able to prosecute most of these guys because of entrapment? [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment
Pretty sure you are just making things up now unless you have a source.
There were lots of arrests, lots of convictions, some fleeing to Cuba and subsequent detentions. Nobody in the Chénier cell the precipitated the crisis was let off on entrapment or, as far as I know, ever alleged entrapment. They regarded themselves as patriots and I believe they would have found the idea very offensive.
None of this of course has anything to do with Justin Trudeau and the fact that the FLQ members negotiated passage to Cuba seems to undermine this weird Castro thing too.
Re: Canadian military saw pandemic as opportunity to test propaganda techniques
#33> A military investigation determined what the Canadian Forces public affairs leadership was doing was “incompatible with Government of Canada Communications Policy (and the) mission and principles of Public Affairs.” I would hope that deploying the military against your own citizens is against more than just an executive branch policy that can be changed at any moment.
It's not, in Canada. The government may elect to invoke the War Measures Act [1]. Pierre Trudeau did this when he drove tanks into Montreal to quash the Québécois nationalist terrorist organization, the FLQ in the October Crisis of 1962 [2]. [edit] Posse Comitatus is more of an American thing - for the record the War Measures Act was subsequently replaced with the Emergencies Act [3]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wik…
The war measures act was repealed in 1988
Re: Canadian military saw pandemic as opportunity to test propaganda techniques
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not, in Canada. The government may elect to invoke the War Measures Act [1]. Pierre Trudeau did this when he drove tanks into Montreal to quash the Québécois nationalist terrorist organization, the FLQ in the October Crisis of 1962 [2]. [edit] Posse Comitatus is more of an American thing - for the record the War Measures Act was subsequently replaced with the Emergencies Act [3]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wik…
The war measures act was repealed in 1988
Indeed, it was replaced with the Emergenices Act as I mentioned.
In fact Justin Trudeau considered invoking it for the first time since the replacement in the COVID situation.
[edit] Between that and the Notwithstanding Clause [1] there's a lot of latitude here.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_33_of_the_Canadian_Cha...
Re: Canadian military saw pandemic as opportunity to test propaganda techniques
#35What's the difference between propaganda and good PR?
The term Public Relations was coined by Edward Bernays, whom wrote the incredibly influential book quite literally called 'Propaganda' in 1928. That should make it clear enough.
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#36I couldn't find the actual report, but in the news reports I looked through, it seems they somehow tried to amplify "good" social media messages about covid (wear a mask, covid is dangerous, etc etc), and bolster the government's messages about covid?
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#37Not really surprising. The current leader's family has always maintained close personal ties to dictatorships, such as the Castro family. [0] [1] The father even went as far as to "suspend constitutional rights" (apparently that's a thing over there) for dubious reasons back in the 70's. [0] https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/the-trudeau-familys-love-of-... [1] https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/27/world/justin-trudeau-castro-…
You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. The War Measures Act [0] is a law that grants government powers in times of war or insurrection. There was, you guess it, an insurrection in the 70s [1] and the it was appropriately triggered. Also the whole article describes an operation that even senior military commanders were unaware of — what possible connection could there be to the PM? Pure dumb speculation.…
A half dozen frenchmen playing pretend revolutionaries an insurrection? Lets play:
So they killed Pierre Laporte, and kidnapped some British bloke.
I raise you:
- The IRA
- ETA
- Just about every political movement in France
- Black panthers
- the white militia movent
Thats without leaving the West. You really want to compare the FLQ to those guys?
Re: Canadian military saw pandemic as opportunity to test propaganda techniques
#38> A military investigation determined what the Canadian Forces public affairs leadership was doing was “incompatible with Government of Canada Communications Policy (and the) mission and principles of Public Affairs.” I would hope that deploying the military against your own citizens is against more than just an executive branch policy that can be changed at any moment.
It seems like they were trying to boost the message of the government to the citizens. I'm not totally sure that's deploying the military against the citizens in a country that has a democratically elected government. I think the point here is that maybe they had good intentions, but the government didn't ask for the help, so it wasn't really "compatible" with the governments communications policy.
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#39> The federal government never asked for the so-called information operations campaign, nor did cabinet authorize the initiative Plausible deniability. So, yes, sure, the generals decided to do this putting their careers at risk if/when discovered. And when the civilian government found this out, where was the indignant outrage that we could expect for what was clearly military insubordination?
Not even "plausible deniability". They don't even need to ask for these things off the record because the generals are not idiots. They know what their bosses want well enough that nobody need ask. You see this behavior all throughout government.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Didn't they end up not being able to prosecute most of these guys because of entrapment? [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment
Pretty sure you are just making things up now unless you have a source. There were lots of arrests, lots of convictions, some fleeing to Cuba and subsequent detentions. Nobody in the Chénier cell the precipitated the crisis was let off on entrapment or, as far as I know, ever alleged entrapment. They regarded themselves as patriots and I believe they would have found the idea very offensive. None of this of course ha…
> as far as I know, ever alleged entrapment.
It's not like the prosecution is going to brag about it, when they simply have the option of not going to trial or make a plea bargain.
> Pretty sure you are just making things up now unless you have a source.
I wish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversies_involvin...
https://archive.macleans.ca/article/1977/11/14/the-gang-that...
> and the fact that the FLQ members negotiated passage to Cuba seems to undermine this weird Castro thing too.
The calls, meetings and official visits were all recorded. There's nothing to undermine.