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On Solitude

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Re: On Solitude

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This piece reads like some westerner that hasn't practiced meditation in any way before. Which imo, leads to the stupid trap that a lot of westerners like to believe in meditation and make an effort to do it as some sort of "healthy" lifestyle choice (a la Sam Harris; although I do admire his work). Just because you did a retreat for a few weeks by no means opened the stars in your eyes and changed the world. You're not special, we all die. The fact that you came to some profound conclusion on your own is not any more special than someone else going to lunch at McDonalds for the day. Solitude for some reason is championed as some sort of virtuous among westerners, but seen as a weird thing if it's done too much, thus canceling out it's positive aspect. Why? Because you become a self centered asshole that's why.

Jim Carey has a quote on it and I 100% wholly agree with it:"Solitude is dangerous. It’s very addictive. It becomes a habit after you realize how peaceful and calm it is. It’s like you don’t want to deal with people anymore because they drain your energy."

I bring this up because I myself have been a borderline schizoid through middle school through college. All it did was made the world flat and filled with pessimism for myself. You begin to really see and understand the world for what it is...except you have no power to influence it to work for you. You get stuck in a rut that makes you go back and hide in your solitude of misery. You realize it's a safe space for any thinking and engagement. But you forget to interact with people.

From 10-21, I said a rosary, various other prayers, and read the bible, and then reflected on that piece of scripture in my life or just let my mind wander while I read it. Every. Single. Day. If I missed for whatever weird reason, I made up for it by doing it twice that next day, which was extremely rare. What you learn in solitude, you ignore in real life. What you don't know in real life, increases your anxieties in solitude. Leading to a viscous cycle of self centered cynicism.

The biggest irony about all these western revelations about solitude are the exact things religions that exist have been preaching for centuries. Praying to god or going "ohm" for 2 hours at the end of the day achieves the same objective in that you pretend like what you're doing is beneficial when in reality it's not and it's just a waste of time.

Re: On Solitude

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Of all the writings on solitude that I’ve come across, almost all are from the male perspective. Anybody know of some good female/other writings on the subject? I have daughters, and I’d like to be able to better relate to them on this.

Check out the writings of Clarice Lispector, especially The Passion According to G.H.

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post #8

Of all the writings on solitude that I’ve come across, almost all are from the male perspective. Anybody know of some good female/other writings on the subject? I have daughters, and I’d like to be able to better relate to them on this.

- Simone Weil, Gravity and Grace

- Dulce María Loynaz, Absolute Solitude: Selected Poems

- Virginia Woolf, Selected Diaries

- Alejandra Pizarnik, Extracting the Stone of Madness: Poems 1962-1972

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post #8

Of all the writings on solitude that I’ve come across, almost all are from the male perspective. Anybody know of some good female/other writings on the subject? I have daughters, and I’d like to be able to better relate to them on this.

Check out the writings of Clarice Lispector, especially The Passion According to G.H.

Yes, such a good recommendation. Reminds me of Bernard Berenson's epigraph for that particular book: "A complete life may be one ending in so full identification with the non-self that there is no self to die."

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like such a strange thing to say. Why does your wife find having no connection to civilisation "downright alarming"? If women are supposed to find outdoor solitude frightening or something, nobody's told me! I'm hoping this doesn't come across as angry, it just feels like a bizarre thing to read.

I think it is interesting to ask about cognitive bias w.r.t. attitudes towards certain threats. Consider a bear. Neither a man nor a woman is likely to win a fight with a bear (though the man has a slightly better shot). Both men and women could probably learn to scare off most bears rather easily, and bear mace works the same for everyone. We might consider on this basis that the actual risk from bears is similar re…

I don't think this is the reason.

I think it might be more to do with a woman coming across some weird men in the woods and being unable to lean on civilisation to keep the men from being psychologically or physically abusive.

The danger isn't nature. That's the same for men and women

(though you might argue a case that women are more susceptible to hypothermia... but I highly doubt anyone thinks about that).

This is going to be controversial but I think the reality is that society caters to women a bit more than men; so the woods and going back to nature, for men, is an escape. But for women (and speaking very generally) it's more a feeling of removing of safety and comfort.

Re: On Solitude

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Just wanted to share Deresiewicz’s classic on the subject, for those who haven’t stumbled on it before: https://theamericanscholar.org/solitude-and-leadership/

I love this essay. I had read it once before, but was so glad I stumbled on it today via your comment, as it hit me with perfect timing today. I enjoyed the audio reading, as well.

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post #8

Of all the writings on solitude that I’ve come across, almost all are from the male perspective. Anybody know of some good female/other writings on the subject? I have daughters, and I’d like to be able to better relate to them on this.

Annie Dillard: Pilgrim at Tinker Creek. Won the 1975 Pulitzer Prize for General Non-fiction.

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post #8

Of all the writings on solitude that I’ve come across, almost all are from the male perspective. Anybody know of some good female/other writings on the subject? I have daughters, and I’d like to be able to better relate to them on this.

Don’t force it, though. Not everyone gets so much from solitude.

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post #8

Of all the writings on solitude that I’ve come across, almost all are from the male perspective. Anybody know of some good female/other writings on the subject? I have daughters, and I’d like to be able to better relate to them on this.

St Teresa of Avila’s writings cover the topic indirectly at least.

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post #25
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is interesting to ask about cognitive bias w.r.t. attitudes towards certain threats. Consider a bear. Neither a man nor a woman is likely to win a fight with a bear (though the man has a slightly better shot). Both men and women could probably learn to scare off most bears rather easily, and bear mace works the same for everyone. We might consider on this basis that the actual risk from bears is similar re…

I don't think this is the reason. I think it might be more to do with a woman coming across some weird men in the woods and being unable to lean on civilisation to keep the men from being psychologically or physically abusive. The danger isn't nature. That's the same for men and women (though you might argue a case that women are more susceptible to hypothermia... but I highly doubt anyone thinks about that). This is…

> society caters to women a bit more than men

It's more that women constantly negotiate environments to keep the number of friendly men greater than the number of sketchy men, so they don't get raped and murdered.

In the woods, you get what you get. Even worse, both you and the man you run into know that if he rapes and murders you, he'll get away clean. She's got to rely on the stranger not wanting to rape and murder her, even if there are no consequences. I'd say you're safe with about 80% of men with that, but the other 20% would leave you in a shallow grave. With the kind of men or groups of men that wander around in isolated wilderness, I'd bet that you're moving into a 60%/40% expectation.

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