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Trojan T-shirt targets German right-wing rock fans

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Re: Trojan T-shirt targets German right-wing rock fans

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Post by caf »

russellallen wrote: post #6
Tichy wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not much of a con, since I think the T-Shirts were free? Total damage: costs of carrying T-Shirt home, electricity wasted for washing.

Not a monetary con, but giving them a T-Shirt that says one thing, knowing that underneath it is another contrary message... Forget for a moment that we're talking about people whose beliefs we (presumably) strongly disagree with and imagine another scenario - say youth at a Democrats rally are given T-Shirts with Obama on them, take them home and find that after a wash they have a pro-T-Party slogan. I would think t…

It wouldn't be at all rational for them to be pissed off. If they'd paid for it, different story.

It's not a con, it's a prank.

Re: Trojan T-shirt targets German right-wing rock fans

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Post by smithian »

dagw wrote: post #9
russellallen wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a monetary con, but giving them a T-Shirt that says one thing, knowing that underneath it is another contrary message... Forget for a moment that we're talking about people whose beliefs we (presumably) strongly disagree with and imagine another scenario - say youth at a Democrats rally are given T-Shirts with Obama on them, take them home and find that after a wash they have a pro-T-Party slogan. I would think t…

How many young pro-Obama democrats are secretly considering joining the tea-party movement, but are currently afraid to do so due to per-pressure and the threat of retaliatory violence? The goal isn't to persuade or change peoples minds, but give people who have, on some level, decided that they want to leave the push and support they need to actually take the final step.

"but are currently afraid to do so due to per-pressure and the threat of retaliatory violence?"

You can't be serious. What "threat of retaliatory violence"?

And to answer your question, approximately none.

Re: Trojan T-shirt targets German right-wing rock fans

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Post by dagw »

smithian wrote: post #12
dagw wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many young pro-Obama democrats are secretly considering joining the tea-party movement, but are currently afraid to do so due to per-pressure and the threat of retaliatory violence? The goal isn't to persuade or change peoples minds, but give people who have, on some level, decided that they want to leave the push and support they need to actually take the final step.

"but are currently afraid to do so due to per-pressure and the threat of retaliatory violence?" You can't be serious. What "threat of retaliatory violence"? And to answer your question, approximately none.

Which would be exactly my point. Comparing leaving the Democrats to leaving a hard core neo-nazi organization is kind of silly.

Re: Trojan T-shirt targets German right-wing rock fans

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Post by smithian »

dagw wrote: post #13
smithian wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"but are currently afraid to do so due to per-pressure and the threat of retaliatory violence?" You can't be serious. What "threat of retaliatory violence"? And to answer your question, approximately none.

Which would be exactly my point. Comparing leaving the Democrats to leaving a hard core neo-nazi organization is kind of silly.

Wow, I totally misread your post. It looked to me as if you were seriously comparing them. Sorry, looks like it's time for coffee.

Re: Trojan T-shirt targets German right-wing rock fans

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Post by Argorak »

russellallen wrote: post #3

Conning people doesn't seem like a good way to get your message through to them.

Actually, it does work. I was working in a similar group (locally and much smaller) for some time. You can reach everyone with clever and impressive actions for a simple reason: they are impressive and resonate so much that even the "enemy" has to admit that they were impressed. You won't turn anyone, but you make sure that they know someone to turn to once they do. Its an offer to talk.

Considering that exiting the right-wing circle often involves ditching most of your friends, someone to talk is the most important asset "on the other side".

Re: Trojan T-shirt targets German right-wing rock fans

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Post by phreeza »

_delirium wrote: post #16

On the technical side, how would I make something like this? Can you order these kinds of wash-once-to-change-message shirts? If not, what kind of ink would you use to DIY it?

I guess combining one paint which isn't water-soluble with another that is. Acrylic paint would probably do the trick?

Re: Trojan T-shirt targets German right-wing rock fans

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Post by darklajid »

phreeza wrote: post #17
_delirium wrote: post #16

On the technical side, how would I make something like this? Can you order these kinds of wash-once-to-change-message shirts? If not, what kind of ink would you use to DIY it?

I guess combining one paint which isn't water-soluble with another that is. Acrylic paint would probably do the trick?

I'd like to know if the paint that obviously was removed from the shirt caused any other issues, tainting other clothes for example?

I mean - if you dress in black completely it might be a non-issue of course.

Re: Trojan T-shirt targets German right-wing rock fans

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Post by brazzy »

_delirium wrote: post #16

On the technical side, how would I make something like this? Can you order these kinds of wash-once-to-change-message shirts? If not, what kind of ink would you use to DIY it?

Here's a longer article in the Germany newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung that has details:

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/aktion-auf-rechtsrockfes...

Apparently, they printed about 50 shirts using different mixes until they got the desired result. It sounds like it's simply two layers of printing, the lower one using regular washing-resitant ink, and the on top using an ink that comes off in the washing machine - but not from simply getting wet (since that would have risked early discovery). It may be temperature-dependant.

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