Trojan T-shirt targets German right-wing rock fans
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#2First the t-shirt says: "hardcore rebels national and free" after washed the original writing disappears. Instead it says: "What your t-shirt can do you can do too."
Images: http://www.businessinsider.com/trojan-t-shirts-neo-nazis-201...
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#3Conning people doesn't seem like a good way to get your message through to them.
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#4Conning people doesn't seem like a good way to get your message through to them.
Not much of a con, since I think the T-Shirts were free? Total damage: costs of carrying T-Shirt home, electricity wasted for washing.
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#5Conning people doesn't seem like a good way to get your message through to them.
A German newspaper article mentions that this was obvious to the people doing this as well. They still went ahead with it for two reasons:
- They had a way to reach their 'targets' directly, in private
- They wanted to establish a name. The German explanation sounds like they're trying to build up a reputation first
So yes, they were/are aware that these shirts won't convert anyone and they certainly expect no quick result anyway.
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#6Conning people doesn't seem like a good way to get your message through to them.
Not much of a con, since I think the T-Shirts were free? Total damage: costs of carrying T-Shirt home, electricity wasted for washing.
Not a monetary con, but giving them a T-Shirt that says one thing, knowing that underneath it is another contrary message...
Forget for a moment that we're talking about people whose beliefs we (presumably) strongly disagree with and imagine another scenario - say youth at a Democrats rally are given T-Shirts with Obama on them, take them home and find that after a wash they have a pro-T-Party slogan. I would think that pretty unlikely to change anyone's mind. They're more likely to be pissed off.
I can imagine the Exit people watching the concert and giggling at their clever prank. Cute prank, amusing, but as a technique for persuasion?
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#7Conning people doesn't seem like a good way to get your message through to them.
Keep in mind the main goal was to spread the message (address & phone!) of an "exit" program for people who want to leave that scene. So those people who want to eventually leave know that they can get help. (It seems peer pressure is very high inside those circles)
From what I read that "attack" was a big talk in the German right wing forums websites... => people now know the Exit program exists => so it worked VERY well.
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#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not much of a con, since I think the T-Shirts were free? Total damage: costs of carrying T-Shirt home, electricity wasted for washing.
Not a monetary con, but giving them a T-Shirt that says one thing, knowing that underneath it is another contrary message... Forget for a moment that we're talking about people whose beliefs we (presumably) strongly disagree with and imagine another scenario - say youth at a Democrats rally are given T-Shirts with Obama on them, take them home and find that after a wash they have a pro-T-Party slogan. I would think t…
You still think that they wanted to 'persuade' or 'convince' people with this shirt. That's not true according to various reports.
On the other hand: I know _I_ would've giggled nevertheless, seeing people walk away with those.. That doesn't change the fact that the whole thing was a _success_ measured against the goals of the creators.
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#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not much of a con, since I think the T-Shirts were free? Total damage: costs of carrying T-Shirt home, electricity wasted for washing.
Not a monetary con, but giving them a T-Shirt that says one thing, knowing that underneath it is another contrary message... Forget for a moment that we're talking about people whose beliefs we (presumably) strongly disagree with and imagine another scenario - say youth at a Democrats rally are given T-Shirts with Obama on them, take them home and find that after a wash they have a pro-T-Party slogan. I would think t…
How many young pro-Obama democrats are secretly considering joining the tea-party movement, but are currently afraid to do so due to per-pressure and the threat of retaliatory violence?
The goal isn't to persuade or change peoples minds, but give people who have, on some level, decided that they want to leave the push and support they need to actually take the final step.
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#10on a sidenote, Trojan Skinheads are not political in any way. They are chaotic neutral ..