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Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app

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Re: Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app

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Post by seniorivn »

skinkestek wrote: post #166
seniorivn wrote: post #151

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do you think a lot of people would be willing to donate to telegram? what would be an average annual donation per user? I bet it would be a lot less than what big tech makes, and there is no reason to believe durov would settle for that

> do you think a lot of people would be willing to donate to telegram? Yes. > what would be an average annual donation per user? I don't know but if it was entirely voluntarily, somewhere between 0 and $10 yearly. > I bet it would be a lot less than what big tech makes, and there is no reason to believe durov would settle for that That doesn't seem to be Durovs goal.

> That doesn't seem to be Durovs goal.

completely disagree, he is definitely focused on making telegram some huge IT project that would put him on the same level as great IT entrepreneurs of our time. The whole TON project was all about making tons of money from becoming the main beneficiary from first decentralized consumer economy. It's a mystery how he is going to achieve anything similar now, but that goal was so ambitious, it's unlikely he will settle for something as small as this

let's use 2017 as a reference https://www.statista.com/statistics/268604/annual-revenue-of... https://www.statista.com/statistics/264810/number-of-monthly...

so it had an annual revenue of $20 per user, and your assumption is a mere $10 max(likely lower), that's extremely low for someone like Durov

Re: Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app

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Post by neoromantique »

kuschkufan wrote: post #125

uhhh, if I go to https://telegra.ph/ right now, I can publish a new post there without any authorisation. Heh. I guess I'd want to let them know, but how..

You'd want to let them know that their service is functioning as expected? Okay.

Re: Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app

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Post by lostmsu »

cnst wrote: post #12

A very objective article, actually, and goes well to explain how this request to block the "voting app" isn't at all as controversial as portrayed in the Western MSM: > Second, this particular demand of the Russian authorities wasn't obviously unconstitutional, as they referred to a law that restricts campaigning after people start casting their votes. Laws against political campaigning while voting is underway exist…

The specific law application and that article are both bullshit.

Let's start with the law application. If you want to apply it like that, you'd have to remove every single positive post about every single candidate from the entire Internet.

In case of Telegram it is even more bullshit because unlike web browsers which (in a common folk sense) show what is available to public and therefore could be compared to public advertisement like a billboard, Telegram bot will only respond to a direct question (yes, I know technically there's no difference).

Re: Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app

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Post by lostmsu »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #112

At least we can sleep peacefully knowing that Tim Cook will make another million by improving the lives of oppressive governments thwarting change by knee-capping the only modern tool of communication.

Also Pichai and of course Durov

Re: Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app

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Post by lostmsu »

xchip wrote: post #111

TL;DR: Apple and Google banned a Russian voting app due to local laws. Telegram has to follow rules set by Apple and Google in order to remain available to users on iOS and Android.

Were they threatened by Apple and Google directly? No. Are they much different from a web browser in the regard that you can access a web page (strike that) bot by navigating to a link?

Re: Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app

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Post by lostmsu »

noxer wrote: post #105
foxfluff wrote: post #96

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> The same rules apply to any other app on the stores. So you can't sell a web browser that can access illegal copyright infringing adult content? I think they should remove all browsers then.

The browser does not host or provide content. Messengers like Telegram however do. Public telegram content can be found direct with telegrams in-app search. Also everyone knows that browsers are excluded form most of these store rules because reasons. Browsers dont have to pay a fee for ads shown either for obvious reasons. BTW you can use web.telegram.org to circumvent apple blocked content on telegram because this…

> Messengers like Telegram however do.

That's not completely true. The bots are basically like web servers.

Re: Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app

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Post by zaik »

gefhfff wrote: post #170
zaik wrote: post #152

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> requires you to verify each single session instead of just a the people What do you mean by that? When no new devices are introduced you only have to verify the fingerprint of each contact once (via QR code). > Afaik it does not have any audit either https://conversations.im/omemo/audit.pdf

Pardon regarding the audit. But you don't have to verify each contact once, but each session the contact uses

What do you mean by 'session'?

Here's my experience. I have three devices I use to connect to my XMPP server: phone (Conversations), PC and laptop (both gajim). Each one generates a keypair. I verified the public keys of PC and laptop by scanning a QR code using Conversations (phone). Conversations remembers all fingerprints as my own. Next time I meet a friend, they scan the QR code on my phone. They now have verified all three of my devices.

Re: Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app

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Post by galaxyLogic »

abecedarius wrote: post #110
galaxyLogic wrote: post #106

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> tends to make Apple a patsy for local government interference It feels like that's part of their business model. Apple (and Google) can have more business if they follow the dictates of dictators. Dictators can "buy" suppression of free speech from Apple/Google.

Remember when Google left China. It's not a pipe dream to expect a strategic choice against working for a tyranny. (Yes, it is unusual. We can hope to make it less so.)

News: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58737433

Re: Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app

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Post by LegitShady »

blitzar wrote: post #135
ipaddr wrote: post #63

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Because it is from his point of view. It doesn't make the content false just colored by the authors point of view.

I am the greatest ever, it is an objective fact.

The greatest ever what, though?
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