Why Telegram had to follow Apple and Google when they suspended a voting app

Post by seniorivn » Sun, Sep 26, 2021, 11:23 AM UTC

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>and buyers of those bonds are affiliated with Russia structures like VTB Capital bank or Russian Government investment fund named “Russian Fund of Direct Investments”. As far as i know, it's not true(meaning there are no signs/proof of that). It's entirely possible, durov does have connections in russian elite, after all he was the creator of vk.com russian most popular social network. Vk was owned by russian oligar…

> End of TON project, ment an end of telegram's future as a not data harvesting company. Durov can ask any day of the month for a donation and I'll give it as soon as I have money in hand. $10 - $100, no problem, more in 6 months. In fact even if he bust released a dumb sticker collection I'd buy it just to support Telegram even if I don't use stickers. I guess this holds true for many other ex-Whatsapp enthusiasts a…

Post by [deleted] » Sun, Sep 26, 2021, 12:21 PM UTC

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I doubt many here are still under the illusion that Telegram has anything to do with security or encrypted messaging. (It's just too damn convenient for UX reasons.) That's not the same as a "wild west of free speech", though. I have no idea how well they do on the front of censorship, they're way too intransparent an organisation for that, but the USA also sees itself as such and it is not encrypted. Secure protocol…

Same here. Great user experience and developer experience too (compaire their bot api to other platforms).

Post by Torwald » Sun, Sep 26, 2021, 12:24 PM UTC

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Apple pushing requirements on apps is also (supposedly) why a lot of apps (such as Instagram, which had explicitly come out to blame Apple for this) banned content of women breastfeeding, as Apple (due to Steve Jobs: there is some interesting stuff you can find on this) is so puritan. You can also find tons of other examples of Apple's influence making decisions about what large numbers of people can experience, ofte…

> Apple has thereby made an active choice to build a product that is bad for democracy That's a good point, actually. If a company wants to claim that they are on the side of users and democracy, it needs to include in its threat modelling the possibility of "Are we the baddies?".

Post by saurik » Sun, Sep 26, 2021, 3:54 PM UTC

Torwald wrote: post #154

saurik wrote: post #41

Apple pushing requirements on apps is also (supposedly) why a lot of apps (such as Instagram, which had explicitly come out to blame Apple for this) banned content of women breastfeeding, as Apple (due to Steve Jobs: there is some interesting stuff you can find on this) is so puritan. You can also find tons of other examples of Apple's influence making decisions about what large numbers of people can experience, ofte…

> as Apple (due to Steve Jobs: there is some interesting stuff you can find on this) is so puritan. As this "puritanism" is an interest of mine, can you point me to some of that interesting stuff you had in mind, please?

Post by noxer » Sun, Sep 26, 2021, 5:32 PM UTC

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When Russia wanted some kind of encryption keys he could not hand over because they dont exist, Telegram was banned in Russia but people found ways to use it anyway. So I dont think Russia has anything to "force" Durov other than via Apple/Google. He doesn't live there or owns anything there and according to past posts of him and there are no Telegram servers there either. + The proxy stuff to circumvent Russia's ban…

There is a sideloaded version of Telegram for Android which can be installed from it's website and even is able to auto-update itself. It allows access to content blocked on iOS. But it was unable to access voting bot.