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Re: Prevent Google from mangling search result links when click/copying on Firefox

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It is really worth it to switch to DuckDuckGo. You can throw a g! at the end of your search if you don't like the results DDG gave and it will redirect you to Google. That was the feature that gave me the confidence to switch over, it's painless to get different results, even on a mobile keyboard.

My biggest hangup is that Google is pretty good at making suggestions based on my past history. You end up losing that doing ddg proxy

Re: Prevent Google from mangling search result links when click/copying on Firefox

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post #11

Google does this so they have click tracking data. But they don't need to mangle URLs in Chrome because it supports the `ping` attribute on tags [0]. The ping attribute basically adds click tracking as a native browser feature so you don't need to do URL redirects. It also makes these analytics much easier for the site and mysterious to the user. Looks like most vendors besides Firefox support it. (They were pretty o…

Is this turned on by default in Chromium too?

Re: Prevent Google from mangling search result links when click/copying on Firefox

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post #17

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I don’t want my clicks to be tracked!

Then call your ISP! They are tracking them, too!

Even through HTTPS? They'll have the domain and IP address and transfer size, but not the URL or contents of the traffic. (Unless they managed to MITM a trusted certificate somehow.)

Re: Prevent Google from mangling search result links when click/copying on Firefox

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post #61
post #23

It is really worth it to switch to DuckDuckGo. You can throw a g! at the end of your search if you don't like the results DDG gave and it will redirect you to Google. That was the feature that gave me the confidence to switch over, it's painless to get different results, even on a mobile keyboard.

My biggest hangup is that Google is pretty good at making suggestions based on my past history. You end up losing that doing ddg proxy

That might actually be a good thing, to break free from an information bubble created to you by Google.

Re: Prevent Google from mangling search result links when click/copying on Firefox

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post #49
post #42

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Seems like it's set to false by default. So it's not really a "user request" not to track so much as a "browser request" not to. Reminds me of the situation with the "Do Not Track" header where browsers sending it by default caused the signal to lose all meaning.

That wasn't what caused DNT to fail. What caused it to fail was that websites could decide whether or not to honor it, and honoring it would have meant a reduced ability to spy on people, impacting their income.

That was part of it. Obviously if sites had no choice in the matter then it wouldn't have mattered whether browsers enabled it by default or not.

Since it was a voluntary thing though, browsers sending it by default pretty much destroyed what chance there was of mainstream sites deciding to implement support for it. It's one thing to give up on tracking a small portion of users who explicitly opt-out, and another thing entirely to give up on tracking everyone except for a tiny minority who choose to opt-in.

Re: Prevent Google from mangling search result links when click/copying on Firefox

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I find link mangling to be a great test for when a service becomes too powerful relative to its users, able to add friction to its product that serves no purpose for its users[1]. Google started doing this around 2004[2]. Facebook didn't do it until a few years ago. Slack and Discord don't do it. Yet. [1] Example: a search result that's a pdf. How do I share this link? If I click on it it downloads to my disk. If I r…

> able to add friction to its product that serves no purpose for its users

A good moment to remind everyone: the goal of the attention economy is to make things as inefficient as possible, because money is made on the friction.

Re: Prevent Google from mangling search result links when click/copying on Firefox

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post #11

Google does this so they have click tracking data. But they don't need to mangle URLs in Chrome because it supports the `ping` attribute on tags [0]. The ping attribute basically adds click tracking as a native browser feature so you don't need to do URL redirects. It also makes these analytics much easier for the site and mysterious to the user. Looks like most vendors besides Firefox support it. (They were pretty o…

So that's what is going on https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21427341

I thought I was the only one.

Re: Prevent Google from mangling search result links when click/copying on Firefox

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post #61
post #23

It is really worth it to switch to DuckDuckGo. You can throw a g! at the end of your search if you don't like the results DDG gave and it will redirect you to Google. That was the feature that gave me the confidence to switch over, it's painless to get different results, even on a mobile keyboard.

My biggest hangup is that Google is pretty good at making suggestions based on my past history. You end up losing that doing ddg proxy

I find the Safari search bar to be good at this sort of thing.

Re: Prevent Google from mangling search result links when click/copying on Firefox

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> Google search is good because Google search might have been good over a decade ago but today it's trash.

> Google search might have been good over a decade ago but today it's trash. IME, its still consistently far and away better than the alternatives. Part of the difference in perception of quality may be that over time it has come to use more personal signals to zero in on relevant results, and the people that complain about how bad it is overlap considerably with those who actively seek to deny those signals to Googl…

good point, that seems plausible. It's an unenviable choice though: good results from incessant surveillance (and nasty link re-writing per topic), or poor results if you use it infrequently.

[I wouldn't know. I've been using DDG for so long now, I can't remember the last time I used Google search. Maybe I've forgotten how much better G is. Truth is, though, DDG does what I need of it. Rarely come away without the answer I want. So no temptation to use Google. At. All.]

Re: Prevent Google from mangling search result links when click/copying on Firefox

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post #14

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Firefox has a browser.send_pings setting to control this, not sending any pings when it is set to false. This is explicitly a valid browser implementation of the ping attribute: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/links.html#hyperlink-... > 2. Optionally, return. (For example, the user agent might wish to ignore any or all ping URLs in accordance with the user's expressed preferences.) The problem isn't that Firef…

Exactly. That's why I solved this problem by using DDG. Although I admit some searches I have to send to Google to get the result I'm looking for.

Same for me, but all google searches are done by DDG bangs like 'g!'
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