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Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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No it would not be okay, factories used to pay their workers with coupons to be spent exclusively in company stores.

Agreed - but I think that would be an example of a contract under duress - the workers have no choice and the company can exploit them. With iPhones I think we have a choice, and while it isn't ideal, we can vote with our wallets and support other institutions or companies.

But that's exactly like arguing the workers can just get another job.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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NVIDIA is well hated by the industry. They tend to screw their partners. They're also very aggressive with litigation. I am not surprised Apple hates their guts, too.

Did the Arm sale go thru yet? Makes you wonder if Apple made a bid or otherwise tried to discourage it.

Apple's large enough to have other options.

They've been hiring risc-v specialists recently. I wonder why.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Jailbreaking, by definition, is using exploits and vulnerabilities in the security of the device to bypass said security. Of course Apple is going to try and stop that. If they didn't, they'd be admitting that they don't care about the security of their devices which is a major factor in why people and companies buy their devices.

You're conflating device and software. The user owns the device - Apple has no right to stop you using the device as you see fit. At the software layer? It's been litigated on more than one occasion that a company can't sue people to prevent jailbreaking their own devices.

No one's talking about suing anyone. We're talking about Apple fixing the exploits that allow jailbreakers to do what they do.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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It's interesting to compare the situation Epic got itself into with previous episodes of Facebook & Google breaking Apple's rules. When Facebook and Google misused Developer Enterprise certificates to go beyond internal testing and distribute apps to end-consumers , Apple revoked their accounts. Both Facebook & Google simply admitted they screwed up and Apple reinstated their accounts.[1] No lawsuits. Epic broke Appl…

In the Google case, it wasn't using the dev license to develop apps for the general public or "end-users".

Basically iOS is a very popular yet closed hardware and software platform and if others want to run anything on them it needs to go through Apple's approval process which might be both good and bad depending on your perspective.

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As long as those developers can still test their games on the platform, there will only be anti-Epic sentiment. Every game developer using the Unreal Engine is seeing this play out just like we are and they're seeing that it's Epic's actions that are causing that issue. With the state of game engines today, many may even consider moving away from Unreal for future games specifically because of Epic's actions.

I've been involved with a few game projects and their developers. In general, everyone likes dealing with Epic because you can reach the actual developers quickly and they'll provide timely bug-fixes. Also, they are famously laid-back while your revenue is Apple, on the other hand, is widely known as arbitrary, both on technical things and on what content or what games are allowed. So if you tell a random game develo…

We don't need assumptions. We have actual evidence that everyone can see. Epic started this fight and lost.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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> The same might be true of Fortnite It would seem that Fortnite's demographic is preteen kids. Are they playing Fortnite on their parent's device or one they own? If it's the later then Apple could be fostering a lifelong mistrust or dislike for their platform. If it's the former then Parents might just install another App for them and that's the end of Fortnite. I guess it comes down to how many people are willing…

I think many of them (including me) were waiting for this to play out. I can remember walking into a cell phone store years and years ago to look around. I remember overhearing this: Kid: I really like this phone. Dad: That’s a Windows Phone, you don’t want that. It doesn’t have that many apps. You want an Android because you get all the apps out there. I can see a similar argument for Android vs. Apple now. “Get And…

In the context of iOS, define "malware".

Does this simply mean App Review screwing up and allowing questionable apps to be approved, dark patterns that encourage bad behavior, or something else?

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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I think many of them (including me) were waiting for this to play out. I can remember walking into a cell phone store years and years ago to look around. I remember overhearing this: Kid: I really like this phone. Dad: That’s a Windows Phone, you don’t want that. It doesn’t have that many apps. You want an Android because you get all the apps out there. I can see a similar argument for Android vs. Apple now. “Get And…

In the context of iOS, define "malware". Does this simply mean App Review screwing up and allowing questionable apps to be approved, dark patterns that encourage bad behavior, or something else?

Malware: viruses, Trojans, etc.

Apple has been caught allowing malware (see Shlayer for a high profile case) and in their case with Epic, has alluded that they don’t even check iOS apps for malware so they don’t even know how much iOS malware is out there; if any.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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In the context of iOS, define "malware". Does this simply mean App Review screwing up and allowing questionable apps to be approved, dark patterns that encourage bad behavior, or something else?

Malware: viruses, Trojans, etc. Apple has been caught allowing malware (see Shlayer for a high profile case) and in their case with Epic, has alluded that they don’t even check iOS apps for malware so they don’t even know how much iOS malware is out there; if any.

Most of the cases I've seen either involve leaks of sensitive info (think diplomats, their governments, and the like) or well-known individuals who value privacy (CEO's, celebrities, etc.)

Most of the Gatekeeper protections in macOS are baked into the design of iOS, but I wonder if they will eventually need to surface them so users have more direct control over what runs.

If sideloading from the web ever comes to pass, I would expect this to be a fundamental building block of how it would work.

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