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Some of us were already using IDEs before JetBrains was founded.
I also remember using and marveling at Visual Studio 6.0. But the understanding of the word IDE back then and now is vastly different.
Visual C++ 6.0 did not hold a candle to Delphi and C++ Builder, and Visual C++ 2019 still doesn't.
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That customer is a cheapskate, too. They strongly encourage everyone to use the free Community versions of the IDEs unless you absolutely need something in the paid editions. (e.g. if you write C++ code it's OK to burn a CLion license.) For my personal and work use, I pay for my own All Tools subscription or whatever they call it now. $149/year for everything JetBrains makes!
I don't get how people can use anything else for development. They handle all the little stuff so you can focus on the code.
Really sad to read this. sourcetrail helped me to understand a foreign codebase when I started my last job. The ability to navigate who-calls-who and who-implements-who back and forth is invaluable, and the search bar is fantastic. This morning I woke up and fantasized about forking the project to keep it alive, but I understand that the work behind it is too much to keep it as a side project.
If it's a useful and helpful tool (and I assume it is from what you've said), what's the problem? It's not as though the existing tool is suddenly going to stop working.
Too bad, it was a good product. It appeared around the same time we launched QuantifiedCode, which was a static analysis & automated refactoring SaaS. Our learning was that developer tools are really hard to monetize, except maybe from the security/compliance/productivity angle (which doesn't really target developers though, more their superiors). Developers are just used to "everything" being free & open-source and…
Accordingly, I believe that new developer tools are difficult to monetize because the established ones are already exceptionally good. There's no customer pain to alleviate.
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That customer is a cheapskate, too. They strongly encourage everyone to use the free Community versions of the IDEs unless you absolutely need something in the paid editions. (e.g. if you write C++ code it's OK to burn a CLion license.) For my personal and work use, I pay for my own All Tools subscription or whatever they call it now. $149/year for everything JetBrains makes!
I don't get how people can use anything else for development. They handle all the little stuff so you can focus on the code.
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That’s effectively what Sourcetrail/Coati does in C/C++. Coati was super-helpful for me many years ago when I had to dissect and analyze some crappy vendor code. It also helped me get up to speed on a bunch of C++ spaghetti code on the same project. They hit the nail on the head with their tool and I’ve been using it off and on ever since. I’m actually wondering now if it could be used to analyze Yocto project depend…
I was using Sourcetrail in the past, and I thought it was only an interactive code field/method browser, and didn't have any way to trace causality... unless I missed some functionality.
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I was using Sourcetrail in the past, and I thought it was only an interactive code field/method browser, and didn't have any way to trace causality... unless I missed some functionality.
I was able to use it to trace causality because the code base I used it for was simple enough that given the relationships between each variable and function call I was able to construct the call graph for a particular set of inputs myself.
I saw in another comment saying Sourcetrail supplies "who-implements-who". CLion gives you this, Qt Creator doesn't really (outside of Find References), and I'm not sure about VS Code Clangd or Microsoft C++.
Hmm. Hard to monetize I guess. Does anyone know of any code analysis software that looks at dataflow ? Specifically for embedded contexts, a lot of code is written in a very non-functional style, where the output of one module is a series of global variables. That variable is then picked up by other modules as an input, and used to calculate that modules output, etc etc. I'd pay big $$$ for any software that would te…
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I was able to use it to trace causality because the code base I used it for was simple enough that given the relationships between each variable and function call I was able to construct the call graph for a particular set of inputs myself.
Is Sourcetrail and a document for taking notes measurably better than having an IDE with 2 panes, "go to definition" and "find all references", and a document for taking notes? In my experience it's not really, and it was tricky to setup Sourcetrail for a given project. I saw in another comment saying Sourcetrail supplies "who-implements-who". CLion gives you this, Qt Creator doesn't really (outside of Find Reference…