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I just don’t want to be busy anymore

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Re: I just don’t want to be busy anymore

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As a 54 year old Software Engineer, who has had a nice IT career for over 26 years, I'm spent. This is coming from someone who has always had a growth mindset and had a really hard time sitting still. I used to loathe naps and felt like I was missing out if I took one. Now, I take a one hour nap almost daily and I'm finding that after 1pm I'm basically fried (I start working around 7AM). I'm not sure what to do about…

I'm 52 got laid off a pseudo-IT job went to a technical college, graduated, got entry level IT and after a year I feel burned out. I'm at the bottom rung of IT where even young people get burned out.

Now each day is just a blur of anxiety. I used to love IT, school was a blast I loved programming, servers, networking, security, web design, troubleshooting, but help desk not so much at 52.

I used to work evenings and nights at my old job now 9pm seems like 3am.

Re: I just don’t want to be busy anymore

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As a 54 year old Software Engineer, who has had a nice IT career for over 26 years, I'm spent. This is coming from someone who has always had a growth mindset and had a really hard time sitting still. I used to loathe naps and felt like I was missing out if I took one. Now, I take a one hour nap almost daily and I'm finding that after 1pm I'm basically fried (I start working around 7AM). I'm not sure what to do about…

I guess I am very lucky then. I am 60 and still very active in development. I develop my own products and I develop new products for clients in various industries. The range is very wide (firmware, low level soft, enterprise applications back and front end, equipment / process control, desktop productivity and entertainment software etc. etc).

I do get tired every once in a while but since I am an independent company I can almost always take my time and recover. So far I did not loose any of that sense of excitement when starting on design of completely new project. I guess being ISV for the last 22 years helps greatly in this department.

Also read a lot, play me some music on keyboard (insanely bad but who cares) and do fair bit of physical activity (cycling, hiking, swimming in the lakes and ocean.

As a result I am very fit, have lots of energy and my brain is always itching to start something new.

What I do not have is a ton of money but I am not doing too bad and would not trade my freedom for anything

Re: I just don’t want to be busy anymore

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"If I’m honest, I’ve been running on fumes for a while. But there were enough milestones along the way to keep chasing that next moment of reprieve. The vacation. The promotion. The vaccine. The remodel.... But then the fumes ran out. And a bunch of life things hit at once, and I couldn’t see any reprieve in my horizon."

By no means do I mean to criticize the author for writing this. I only want to encourage everyone else to take this lesson seriously. I've banged this drum before on HN but it can take quite a bit more banging: Take burnout seriously. Take the initial signs of burnout seriously. If you're vaguely nervous about the possibility that you're burning out, take it seriously.

Don't shy away from it. Take this to heart: If you're sort of starting to burn out, and you acknowledge it, there are steps you can take to prevent it from ever happening! There's every reason to acknowledge it to yourself. It is ignoring it that may cause the bad outcome.

I can speak only for myself in that when I have sensed burnout coming on, I take time off. Sometimes with little notice, because I notice I need it. I get my projects changed. I evaluate my life goals before it's a problem. And I've never really suffered a real burn out yet here at 42, even through some bad times.

While I've not had to do this myself, I also strongly encourage extreme self honesty. It's sad to study for some years and then be in a career for longer only to discover it's not the career for you, but it's less sad that staying there. Do you want to be in the brewery business? Do you want to become a carpenter? Be honest.

(Though I do also offer just a bit of warning that the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence; do take that into account, too.)

Re: I just don’t want to be busy anymore

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I have a friend who once told me that they can only work for about 4 hours a day. When I challenged them that this seemed like a very priviledged position to be able to take, they insisted that it was actually true for pretty much anyone, it's just that as a society, as an economy, as a series of employer/employee relationships, we pretend that it's not. What they meant of course was not whether they could be "at the…

Depends on how you classify "productive" in a 40-50hr work week I would say 50-60% is productive actual work (i.e writing a program, or doing the actual task you are paid to do), 10-15% is administrative (making task list, organizing your work, reporting about your work, etc) 10-15% is meetings about your work, 10-15% is socialization with co-workers, unofficial breaks, informal meetings, etc. So if you do not count…

You could also be a statistical anomaly with regards to how long you can work. If I were to bet, users of Hackernews have a higher focus time than most people right now, through training or otherwise.

Re: I just don’t want to be busy anymore

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As a 54 year old Software Engineer, who has had a nice IT career for over 26 years, I'm spent. This is coming from someone who has always had a growth mindset and had a really hard time sitting still. I used to loathe naps and felt like I was missing out if I took one. Now, I take a one hour nap almost daily and I'm finding that after 1pm I'm basically fried (I start working around 7AM). I'm not sure what to do about…

I'm a 54 year old too, who has been cutting code since I was 18. Currently running my own startup which is doing well, but I find that the long years of long hours have sapped my energy levels quite drastically.

I deliberately only work about 4 to 6 hours per day max, and delegate everything else to my team. I also take Wednesdays off entirely to spend as a 'date day' with my wife who also has doesn't have a work shift on Wednesdays, and I don't work on weekends any more.

My working hours are broken up - I may do 2 or 3 hours in the morning when I wake up, but then I go off an indulge in my other passions such as music production etc. Then I may do a couple more hours in the afternoon when the rest of my remote team are coming online on the other side of the world, then I will take a break to cook dinner etc. and check in quickly before going to bed to ensure all tasks are on track. Like the comment poster above I also take regular naps in the afternoon to recharge my batteries.

I also don't have more than 2 to 3 meetings per week, and I am VERY selective about who I meet with and for how long. I am totally focused on maximising every ounce of energy towards only things that will move my startup forward.

Conversely, some of those meetings are actually spent mentoring other startup founders - I find that it really motivates me to 'give back' to the community a little after decades of receiving help and advice.

An yes, I have been through actual burnout 4 times in my career. Each time gets worse, but I also now know to look for the signs - plus my family and colleagues also keep watch for early signs, which helps me mitigate the onset of bad habits and work patterns that may trigger it.

Re: I just don’t want to be busy anymore

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One of the things which quickly overwhelms me is just all the little stuff. Couple big ticket items? No problem. Long list of 5-20 minute items, or even worse, conversations of indefinite length? Exhausting.

I work for a big company (F500), and one thing that always bothers me is the out of nowhere Slack messages that are three paragraphs long, by someone I have never met within the company. If I start helping them right away, they are happy to keep me online for the next hour while my flow is gone, god knows where. I am trying to find the nicest way to say: "This should be an e-mail conversation, please send email.", bu…

I feel like we are living the same life. If you are in the MD/DC/VA area, lets be friends.

Re: I just don’t want to be busy anymore

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I feel this so much, baby on the way same exact sentiments

Unsolicited advice: I suggest taking maximum paternity leave if feasible. I first took leave on my 3rd child, and feel stupid I didn't do it prior. Ironically, I was unable to convince two other colleagues to do the same.

It took about 4-5 weeks into the leave to finally relax, for my mind was wired to expect frequently recurring deadlines, so I was always paranoid of missing (nonexistent) deadlines. I didn't realize how messed up I was until I took a break.

It was liberating to just sit in a rocking chair every night putting the baby to sleep and thinking of nothing else. Maximum happiness.

Re: I just don’t want to be busy anymore

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I think it’s pretty clear we have an epidemic of burnout on our hands. I think it’s a new phenomenon. And I think immersive online experiences are the underlying cause. I’ve lived much of my life for the past 30 years in virtual spaces of one form or another, from MUDs to IRC to MMORPGs to early and then fully evolved social media. As commercial virtual space showed up, I noticed the engagement hooks and potential fo…

I think this comment touches on something very deep. Spending time in online spaces seems to be profoundly damaging to our mental health.

What exactly is it about online spaces that does this ? It’s little wonder that many are burning out after a year of being perpetually online.

However I would also like to add that the amount of uncertainty in the world and in our jobs has gone up. You never really know if you’re doing “enough”. And the internet exacerbates it.

Re: I just don’t want to be busy anymore

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One thing that helped me is not to care so much about my employer's goals. It's almost heretical. But once you embrace this mindset, it does wonders. Or at least, it has for me so far. I think a lot of us want to be proud of the work we do, and we feel that if we slack off, then we shouldn't be proud. But it's the other way around. I think the slackers have it right. You're probably not going to get rich from working…

> In that context, why do so many of us take on so many unnecessary responsibilities? It's tempting to say "Well, my employer assigned them."...

It's interesting to audit what you do v. your ACTUAL job definition, especially when it comes to blurred responsibilities.

Tell your friend this realistic boss saying:

> If you work hard, put in extra hours, and push to be the best, then "I" get a new Ferrari next year!

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