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Re: Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s proposals to abduct Assange

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Post by 8note »

slim wrote: post #53
croes wrote: post #24

>Discussions over kidnapping or killing Assange occurred “at the highest levels” of the Trump administration, said a former senior counterintelligence official. “There seemed to be no boundaries.” No idea why Assange feared to be extradited from Sweden to the USA./s

My "holy shit" moment was this : received “sketches” of plans for killing Assange and other Europe-based WikiLeaks members CIA planned to kill some of my friends

They likely keep the plans up to date, and have one for you too, if they're your friends.

Re: Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s proposals to abduct Assange

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Post by wffurr »

29athrowaway wrote: post #138
wffurr wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you trying to say we can’t have energy and care about human rights and decency? The United States has plenty of domestic energy reserves and the capability to build a lot of renewable energy and nuclear energy. There’s zero reason to be catering to Middle East despots, other than corruption and cronyism.

I never said anything related to that. But governments and organized crime have a lot in common.

I can’t see clear to what other point you could possibly be trying to make in this context. Perhaps you should clarify what you meant then?

Re: Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s proposals to abduct Assange

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Post by reissbaker »

hutzlibu wrote: post #132
adventured wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> because of being told by the governments and in schools, that the CIA and co only fight terrorist and evil empires. That's not their image in the US at all and that's not how formal education about the CIA works in schools in the US. The opposite is closer to the truth. You're maybe aware of the common American conspiracy theory that JFK was murdered by the CIA? As retribution for the Bay of Pigs, among other thing…

There has been some shift in cultural perception, true (even though "Day of the condor" is even from 1975) - but the official picture and the ones painted by a common movie, is still a very different one, from reality. I mean take James Bond for instance. Glorification of the noble spycraft par excellence. (but I have not watched the latest ones, maybe there was change, too?) And I have no first hand experience with…

James Bond is a fictional British spy who works for MI6, not the CIA. American cultural perception of the CIA is not great.

Re: Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s proposals to abduct Assange

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Post by cbHXBY1D »

newbamboo wrote: post #158
huntermeyer wrote: post #140

With this, the idea that Epstein was suicided is not so far fetched.

Lol. Literally nobody thinks he actually committed suicide. It’s just that nobody knows for certain who did it. You can rule out certain nations but was it Clinton, Gates Dershowitz? We’ll never know.

I doubt the people you listed would have the ability to pull it off. Intelligence agencies like the CIA or Mossad could though.

I think the secret to understanding Epstein is staring us in the face: Epstein was an intelligence asset. He himself bragged for years to be in intelligence [1], Alex Acosta was told to give him a lenient plea deal because he was "owned by intelligence" [2], his partner's (Ghislaine Maxwell) father was a Mossad spy [3]. US and Israeli intelligence works together on a lot of things, I wouldn't be surprised if both were his "clients".

[1] https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/jeffre...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Acosta#Non-prosecuti...

[3] https://www.amazon.com/Robert-Maxwell-Israels-Superspy-Gordo...

Re: Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s proposals to abduct Assange

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Post by 29athrowaway »

wffurr wrote: post #162
29athrowaway wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never said anything related to that. But governments and organized crime have a lot in common.

I can’t see clear to what other point you could possibly be trying to make in this context. Perhaps you should clarify what you meant then?

If you don't know what I meant then why assuming malice as your first reaction?

Re: Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s proposals to abduct Assange

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Post by hutzlibu »

reissbaker wrote: post #163
hutzlibu wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There has been some shift in cultural perception, true (even though "Day of the condor" is even from 1975) - but the official picture and the ones painted by a common movie, is still a very different one, from reality. I mean take James Bond for instance. Glorification of the noble spycraft par excellence. (but I have not watched the latest ones, maybe there was change, too?) And I have no first hand experience with…

James Bond is a fictional British spy who works for MI6, not the CIA. American cultural perception of the CIA is not great.

Yeah, I know that. I think we were talking in general about spycraft and the perception of it in the west and not just about the CIA.

"I think people just underestimate what spy agencies actually do and how dirty it’s always been. "

Re: Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s proposals to abduct Assange

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Post by _hilro »

simorley wrote: post #148
deanCommie wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I 100% agree with everything you're saying. However, let's not forget that 50/80 years were dominated by a two-headed fight for world hegemony under the threat of nuclear war and potential apocalypse. In this fight, while the US was far more evil than anyone cared to admit at the time, and the USSR far less than the US propaganda would have you believe, RELATIVELY speaking one side did offer more freedom, liberty, an…

> However, let's not forget that 50/80 years were dominated by a two-headed fight for world hegemony under the threat of nuclear war and potential apocalypse. Nuclear war? And in that 50/80 years, only one side has ever nuked a city full of civilians. Twice. > This remains true today with China. CPC apologists are all too happy to point out (factually correct) gaps in US integrity and freedom. "CPC apologists". Did w…

Your puppet strings are showing...

Re: Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s proposals to abduct Assange

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Post by ok123456 »

pvg wrote: post #135
photochemsyn wrote: post #62

The real reason they were so pissed off at Assange seems to be in two parts: 1) The Chelsea Manning State Department cables. The video was all the hype, but just dig through the 'SECRET' cables on Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc. Zero interest in 'human rights and democracy', lots of interests in oilfields, pipelines, military sales contracts, etc. 2) Those Vault7 CIA leaks are incredibly embarrassing, it's like so closet cr…

Zero interest in 'human rights and democracy', lots of interests in oilfields, pipelines, military sales contracts, etc. You can go to the cable archive and type 'human rights' in the search box and see this isn't remotely true. Whatever one might think of US diplomacy and its goals, the cables are mostly of historical interest and cause for mild embarrassment. They don't really show some diabolically clever empire c…

glow harder

Re: Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s proposals to abduct Assange

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #149
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what's the alternative? Don't make people you like stand trial?

Don't flagrantly violate an accused's right to a fair trial. My opinions on the person aren't relevant, though I hardly like Assange.

How were they violated?

Re: Former U.S. officials describe details of the CIA’s proposals to abduct Assange

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Post by [deleted] »

Ms-J wrote: post #146

At this point, what is the difference between a hardcore criminal and the intel agencies? I would trust an everyday criminal before one of these organizations, and I'm being totally serious. The ordinary criminal does not harm me. What value, other than terrible things like deception, do we get out of these agencies in a free society?

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