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Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline

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Re: Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline

#51

the obvious use case is to use facial expression detection to track how much attention people are paying to advertisements

Could we not waste time on making inane comments like this, just for today. What you just said has nothing to do with this article, nor does it match anything Apple does, as they don't even serve advertisements in any form, and offer lots of ways for users to cut down on advertising.

Re: Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline

#53
post #22

Feeling sad, angry, depressed are essential parts of who we really are. We are not something sits in containers waiting to be amused at every second. Salut, brave new world.

Clinical depression is different from feeling sad. Being able to detect cognitive decline would probably be a great boon in elder care.

> Clinical depression is different from feeling sad.

I don't want to come off as a pedant on this, but the prevailing definitions of clinical depression show quite clearly that it's a difference of degree, and not of kind. Clinical depression can indeed be "feeling sad":

> Criterion A.1: Depressed mood most of the day, nearly every day, as indicated by either subjec­tive report (e.g., feels sad, empty, hopeless) or observation made by others (e.g., appears tearful). (Note: In children and adolescents, can be irritable mood.)

> The essential feature of a major depressive episode is a period of at least 2 weeks during which there is either depressed mood or the loss of interest or pleasure in nearly all activi­ties (Criterion A)

> The mood in a major depressive episode is often described by the person as depressed, sad, hopeless, discouraged, or "down in the dumps" (Criterion Al). In some cases, sadness may be denied at first but may subsequently be elicited by interview (e.g., by pointing out that the individual looks as if he or she is about to cry). In some individuals who complain of feeling "blah," having no feelings, or feeling anxious, the presence of a depressed mood can be inferred from the person's facial expression and demeanor.

Both of these are straight from the DSM-5 (pp. 160-163) on Major Depressive Disorder: this is what's used to diagnose you, and not any blood test or neurotransmitter assay. "Depressed mood" is not described in any further detail, by the way. (Which, to me anyway, was always surprising in itself. You'd think there'd be more precision.)

Again, I hope this illuminating instead of pedantic. The notion that "clinical depression is not 'the blues'" is common enough these days, and it's well-intended, but people can get a somewhat mistaken impression from it. I think maybe it's safer to say that "clinical depression is indeed the blues, but also some other stuff on a list of 8, for an extended period of time".

Re: Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline

#54
I can imagine the advertising value of watching for depression and cognitive decline. In the latter case, you could probably sell a dozen extended warranties for the same item.

EZ prediction of the day.

Combine depression, cognitive decline, anger, etc. values against a database of gun owners (picked up through registration, social media posts, ATF background checks, etc.). Send police to house when some crossover point is hit. It's for the children.

Re: Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Glory to sentiment analysis. Glory. I am a proud machine learning engineer.

Can you elaborate ? You just want to ignore any impact your work has just cause it's fun ?

/s

Re: Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline

#56
post #50
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Glory to sentiment analysis. Glory. I am a proud machine learning engineer.

Can you elaborate ? You just want to ignore any impact your work has just cause it's fun ?

The parent's post is irony.

Re: Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline

#57

It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself -- anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face (to look incredulous when a v…

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Re: Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline

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It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself -- anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face (to look incredulous when a v…

In the Soviet period, punitive psychiatry was so widespread that one fourth of the dissidents accused of political crimes were declared "mentally ill." Even more widespread was the practice of compulsory hospitalization without court order, done simply on the orders of the KGB. Each year the highest authorities in Moscow sent up to 1,000 people to psychiatric hospitals. These were people who had come to capital to fight for justice denied in their hometowns. The same situation could be observed in the provinces. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2013/10/13/soviet-psychiatry-...

Since 1921, the Soviet authorities began to gradually use psychiatry to combat dissidents and human rights defenders. They abused their powers, falsifying diagnoses of unwanted people and sending them to hospitals for an indefinite period. This practice has become known as "punitive psychiatry", becoming one of the most famous and brutal examples of repression in the USSR. Over the years, Joseph Brodsky and Yegor Letov became its victims, and the practice stopped only under the decline of the USSR, when up to two million people passed through it. https://tjournal.ru/stories/153921-karatelnoe-lechenie-inako... That is just Google translated above

Re: Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline

#59
post #32

As a counterpoint to everything here, the Apple Watch just saved a friends life by telling them they were in AFib. Yes, it could be bad. Or it could be medically beneficial to people who are anxious and depressed and simply don’t have anyone to help them recognize it because they’re alone. Particularly during the pandemic, that would have been useful.

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Re: Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline

#60

I can imagine the advertising value of watching for depression and cognitive decline. In the latter case, you could probably sell a dozen extended warranties for the same item. EZ prediction of the day. Combine depression, cognitive decline, anger, etc. values against a database of gun owners (picked up through registration, social media posts, ATF background checks, etc.). Send police to house when some crossover po…

Or maybe detect people who might be unstable through paranoid ramblings about how Apple is out to get gun owners before they can "take a stand against the tyranny".

Probably less work and marginally more fruitful.

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