Here's an ideia: Why not just remove Facebook, Instagram?
Because those are 2 of the 3 most popular apps and my retirement account depends on their continued success.
Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline
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Re: Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline
#22Feeling sad, angry, depressed are essential parts of who we really are. We are not something sits in containers waiting to be amused at every second.
Salut, brave new world.
Re: Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline
#23Since most of the comments here seem to be on the hysterical side:
1. This is not something Apple is rolling out now with their devices and systems.
2. This is research being done by UCLA and BioNTech using Apple's various sensors.
3. There's nothing concerning here (yet). This is a common kind of research using novel sensors (either actually novel sensors or taking advantage of their now-pervasiveness). Webcams were used as part of studies at least 15 years ago (by classmates while I was in grad school).
Other sensors have been used for decades to monitor people in research studies to see if they could be used to detect conditions either after they'd developed or earlier while still developing. The only interesting thing about this is that the researchers are using Apple's sensors, and that's not terribly interesting at all. Last year, Garmin and Oura partnered with DOD and others to use their sensors to try and detect COVID infections before people developed the obvious symptoms, was that terrifying to any of you?
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#25Considering the unspoken consequences that a depression diagnosis can carry, surely this is rife for abuse. Imagine being involuntary committed after a "wellness check" brought on by your "smart" phone.
Imagine being red flagged by your phone and having a swat team show up to confiscate your guns. Google and Apple absolutely know if you are a gun owner.
Re: Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline
#26It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself -- anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face (to look incredulous when a v…
Obviously the problem is having screens detect a list of things every human around can easily detect too, not what happens after that, yep.
(I'm not saying there's no issue here, I'm saying this is a useless comparison.)
Edit: As far as I'm concerned, quoting that is about as useful as mentioning number of the beast in relation to bar codes or credit cards. It almost but doesn't actually fit the situation.
Re: Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline
#27The single most valuable datapoint for advertisers is depression - they figured out a long time ago that depressed people are more easily marketed to. You can be sure they've already perfected the state of the art as far as is economically practical. Either Apple knows this already, or... actually, I can't think of any plausible reason that they wouldn't already know this.
Re: Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline
#28We''l tell you when you're happy, we'll tell you when you're sick, put your faith in us! We don't miss a trick. We'll tell you when to sleep, where and what to eat, with neural networked data our judgment can't be beat. It only costs a little, all your friends bought in, you don't want to be the odd one, do you? Clubhouse is The Thing! We know your body, we know your mind, we hold your worldview safe. Hew only unto A…
Something something Adam and Eve ate an apple and were banished from paradise.
Re: Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline
#29It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself -- anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face (to look incredulous when a v…
Read 1984 so many times and it still gives me chills whenever I read it again.
If you, ahem, liked 1984, you'll want to read: https://elan.school/
Re: Apple is working on iPhone features to help detect depression, cognitive decline
#30Since most of the comments here seem to be on the hysterical side: 1. This is not something Apple is rolling out now with their devices and systems. 2. This is research being done by UCLA and BioNTech using Apple's various sensors. 3. There's nothing concerning here (yet). This is a common kind of research using novel sensors (either actually novel sensors or taking advantage of their now-pervasiveness). Webcams were…
The pattern is always the same. When an invasive technology or a precursor to an invasive technology is announced, someone on HN sagely points out that everyone should be reasonable and drop the conspiracy theories.
Five years later the tech is on everyone's phone.