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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by broknbottle »

masto wrote: post #798
radicalbyte wrote: post #485

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This is the literal reason I switched to OSX. I dislike the impractical design of Macbooks - horrible connectivity and no way to swap batteries. However the combination of 15 hrs battery life + closing the lid and it not melting a hole in my bag trumps any negatives.

I have had multiple Mac laptops that were burning hot when I pulled them out of my bag. My iPhone also occasionally tries to melt my pocket. These are not issues that Apple is immune to.

I never really experienced this kind of issue until I was given a corporate macbook by my current employer. I suspect this is due to all the "security" software that comes pre-installed by IT. The software is constantly a source of performance related issues, IO seems to be a big one as if it's constantly checking / scanning.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by wellthisisgreat »

jmarcher wrote: post #541
davrosthedalek wrote: post #516

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Be careful. My Macbook Pro cooked it's display twice. Some program made it not go to sleep when I closed the lid, I put it in my backpack, and it overheated the display so much that I had yellow-brownish spots (which followed gravity over time). No way to check if it's sleeping when the lid is closed, because reasons...

I always assumed those were the result of my cycling backpack putting too much pressure on the screen. It's basically bow-like structure to keep the bag off my back. I do have my MacBooks cooking themselves in my backpack every so often too. Basically, every MacBook's I had in the past > 10 years ended with that issue. Mystery solved!

What’s the name of the backpack btw? Been looking for something like this

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by Shorel »

mjaniczek wrote: post #666
fxtentacle wrote: post #608

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Haha I should have mentioned that one as a repeat offender. After the Surface wakes up, reboots, makes noise, gets hot, and drains 20% of its battery, if I then run "powercfg.exe /lastwake" it'll pretend that it did not wake up X_X And in my case, there wasn't any non-Microsoft drivers on the system. The issue appears to be that they do magical stuff when they spot a WiFi connection, or when my WiFi router does its d…

Offtopic: > or when my WiFi router does its daily reboot. Damn, I think that might fix 99% of the issues I have with my WiFi router.

Why is that necessary?

My router reboots only when the electricity is cut. So many weeks or even months between each reboot.

Wi-Fi works, Ethernet works even better, and I have some Automobilista (videogame) servers open to the world.

It is a big issue if my IP changes, so I am very aware of all these things.

Still, no reboots needed.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by errantspark »

naikrovek wrote: post #727
errantspark wrote: post #629

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ No hibernation, yes admin, yes elevated prompt, nada. Disabling devices has never worked for me either, again I'm legitimately surprised that these things have ever worked for anyone since it's never had any effect whenever I've tried it.

check the tasks in Task Scheduler, too. those can also wake a PC from sleep.

I wish that were true! I'd love to know how to do that one too since back in Windows 7 Foobar2k was able to wake my PC from sleep and play my music as an alarm, and this functionality has not worked for me since then.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by pkulak »

naikrovek wrote: post #537
fxtentacle wrote: post #446

I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…

I mean, I know it's too late to help you, but running "powercfg.exe /lastwake" after a windows computer wakes from standby will tell you exactly what woke it up, if it knows. I've never had it return with "unknown" once in over a decade, but some people I know have. if you can find all the things waking the computer, and fix those things, it will never wake without user intervention. usually, for me, it's been device…

And people say Linux is the difficult OS.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by jandorn »

davrosthedalek wrote: post #516
radicalbyte wrote: post #485

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the literal reason I switched to OSX. I dislike the impractical design of Macbooks - horrible connectivity and no way to swap batteries. However the combination of 15 hrs battery life + closing the lid and it not melting a hole in my bag trumps any negatives.

Be careful. My Macbook Pro cooked it's display twice. Some program made it not go to sleep when I closed the lid, I put it in my backpack, and it overheated the display so much that I had yellow-brownish spots (which followed gravity over time). No way to check if it's sleeping when the lid is closed, because reasons...

Is there a way to find out what app is guilty?

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by sgarland »

naikrovek wrote: post #726
mjaniczek wrote: post #666

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Offtopic: > or when my WiFi router does its daily reboot. Damn, I think that might fix 99% of the issues I have with my WiFi router.

I have a $300 Ubiquiti Dream Machine and that thing CANT be scheduled to reboot. doesn't matter because Ethernet dies twice a day, and I need to use my phone to get to the admin page to restart the thing. most annoying and expensive router I've ever owned. I DO NOT understand how all routers I have ever owned are total garbage, but they all have been.

A child comment stating its sensitivity to power dips may be the cause here. I don't have a UDM, but I do have a lot of Unifi equipment and the only issues I've ever had are an AP dropping clients and refusing to pick new ones up, and a switch latching onto a bad local route and refusing to let it go. Rebooting the devices fixed it in both cases.

By far, internet connectivity has never been better at my house. I've had various Netgear, D-Link, and Linksys devices. Unifi beats everything hands-down.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by oauea »

katbyte wrote: post #767
oauea wrote: post #724

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Right, so the same as Windows.

Unless it wakes for some weird reason, or does auto update and blows everything away which has been the general jist of this thread

Yeah I see lots of people complaining about that. Kinda weird since I've literally never had it happen to me on any of my windows machines.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by Anunayj »

propogandist wrote: post #756
quantumsequoia wrote: post #558

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[citation needed]

there is truth to this. This is the scientist who's responsible for getting smoking banned from planes - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwyDCHf5iCY -- this obviously hasn't gotten airtime because it's not good for the entire phone industry and supply chain

Well username checks out ig?

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by saltcured »

znpy wrote: post #684
saltcured wrote: post #676

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As an i7, is it quad core? I had a T440p with i7-4700MQ and it had terrible power consumption compared to prior and later Thinkpads I have experienced. What I saw in powertop was that it never got into the better "package" power states. The cores could all be spending 90%+ of the time in C7 but the package as a whole was in C2 or worse. I never found a way to fix this. Mine had the NVIDIA GPU as well as Intel iGPU, a…

Nah, just a dual-core i7 @ 2.1 GHz. I got that laptop 2nd hand, so that was it. I don't get into the bios very often so I might be wrong, but I don't recall seeing any indication of an nvidia gpu in mine. I'll look better!

On my T440p, the Intel and NVIDIA GPUs would show up via 'lspci'. I don't recall whether there were any BIOS options other than internal vs external display during POST/boot.
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