EU Is Warned Green Label for Gas Would Be ‘Disastrous’ Mistake

Post by gsliepen » Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 1:49 PM UTC

VoodooJuJu wrote: post #44

panick21 wrote: post #22

Its sadder everyday that somehow humanity has failed to become a nuclear society. All our problems could have been solved decades ago but we are still nowhere near a solution.

I used to think nuclear was the way forward, and I kind of still do, but it's understandable why it isn't prevalent. It's all about magnitude of loss/failure. Traditional power plants are much safer and failure isn't nearly as catastrophic as with nuclear. If a nuclear plant fails, look at what can happen - you can lose an entire city indefinitely - Chernobyl. The potential for loss is much higher with nuclear power.

Post by Ekaros » Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 1:51 PM UTC

pyrale wrote: post #49

danhor wrote: post #35

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Part of the issues of nuclear remain the high costs, hairy security situation in many countries and very limited ability to adapt to demand. This is both in the night-and-day cycle meaning but also in the "we need more power in 10-years" meaning, since nuclear power plants take forever to build. Saying that all our problems could have been solved by nuclear is not close to the truth, especially regarding climate chan…

> nuclear power plants take forever to build. In France, the first nuclear plants of the current production group were contracted in 1970, and connected to the network in 1977, so that's 7 years for a pilot industrial project. Later plants were built in 5-6 years. The kicker is that this work is highly scalable: France built over 6 reactors per year over its program. The current issue with new generation reactors see…

Post by ushakov » Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 1:51 PM UTC

junon wrote: post #31

axiosgunnar wrote: post #23

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Yesterday in Berlin pro-nuclear climate activists got attacked by the no-nuclear climate mob…

I live here and didn't hear about this. Have a link?

Post by Ekaros » Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 1:54 PM UTC

gsliepen wrote: post #51

VoodooJuJu wrote: post #44

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I used to think nuclear was the way forward, and I kind of still do, but it's understandable why it isn't prevalent. It's all about magnitude of loss/failure. Traditional power plants are much safer and failure isn't nearly as catastrophic as with nuclear. If a nuclear plant fails, look at what can happen - you can lose an entire city indefinitely - Chernobyl. The potential for loss is much higher with nuclear power.

There are certainly high risks with nuclear power, but accidents with a large loss of life also happen with other energy production methods. Also, a big accident like Chernobyl sounds horrible, but people forget that burning coal produces a lot of pollution (including radiation!) that over time kills much more people. To get a perspective of how nuclear accidents compare with those of other energy production methods,…

Post by dexen » Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 1:56 PM UTC

willis936 wrote: post #26

panick21 wrote: post #22

Its sadder everyday that somehow humanity has failed to become a nuclear society. All our problems could have been solved decades ago but we are still nowhere near a solution.

Green Parties the world over are anti-nuclear and have been since the 80s. Considering how much harm to the environment has come by the hand of green parties, I'm beginning to wonder if they aren't lobbied by fossil fuel companies.