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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by alanh »

nielsbot wrote: post #605
lvs wrote: post #565

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This truly an antifeature.

Similar to PowerNap from Apple https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/what-is-power-nap-m... Although I don't think Apple recommends not keeping your laptop in a bag.

FWIW:

1) Looking at System Preferences right now, the setting for Power Nap reads as follows:

> [x] Enable Power Nap while plugged into a power adapter

> While sleeping, your Mac can back up using Time Machine and periodically check fro new email, calendar, and other iCloud updates

This indicates that it should not have any affect on a sleeping MacBook in a bag (presumably disconnected from power).

2) That said, I have on rare occasions found a former work-issued MacBook Pro to be hot to the touch when removed from my bag after a commute. I assumed this was some bug (not a feature), and I can neither rule out nor implicate the involvement of the nanny software installed by IT.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by Aeolun »

Miraste wrote: post #528
xyst wrote: post #512

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I feel using Windows for anything other than gaming is just going to give you more headaches than just learning to use a unix based OS. Most applications are available on multiple platforms and alternatives exist for those few applications that are not available. In my opinion, the only reason why Windows is so prevalent in the "enterprise" world is because Microsoft provides support contracts to make it easier to ad…

I'm not unfamiliar with Linux and I've been looking into switching recently after a long string of Windows "features" causing problems, but unfortunately gaming isn't the only area Microsoft has an advantage. Linux still doesn't support HDR, for instance. It also has a lot of problems with desktop compositing, because the switch from X to Wayland is at the point where neither of them are good options. That's not even…

Why is anyone interested in HDR? 16M colors should be enough for anyone.

I do have minor issues when scaling my 4K screen to a lower resolution, and starting a fullscreen game, but that’s about it.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by nielsbot »

alanh wrote: post #671
nielsbot wrote: post #605

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similar to PowerNap from Apple https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/what-is-power-nap-m... Although I don't think Apple recommends not keeping your laptop in a bag.

FWIW: 1) Looking at System Preferences right now, the setting for Power Nap reads as follows: > [x] Enable Power Nap while plugged into a power adapter > While sleeping, your Mac can back up using Time Machine and periodically check fro new email, calendar, and other iCloud updates This indicates that it should not have any affect on a sleeping MacBook in a bag (presumably disconnected from power). 2) That said, I ha…

If you switch to the Battery tab in Energy/Battery preferences, it's there:

"Enable Power Nap while on battery power"

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by muttled »

bobbylarrybobby wrote: post #648
radicalbyte wrote: post #485

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This is the literal reason I switched to OSX. I dislike the impractical design of Macbooks - horrible connectivity and no way to swap batteries. However the combination of 15 hrs battery life + closing the lid and it not melting a hole in my bag trumps any negatives.

Forget the overheating — the fact that Macs will save all your work when shutting down, and will refuse to shut down if this is not possible (for instance if some app that doesn’t support autosave (MS office) has unsaved work, or if there are terminal jobs running). Can’t imagine how anyone tolerates their computer just obliterating their work.

Made me think about a system we have to enter notes in at work. It'll kick you out with 10 minutes of inactivity. But it won't tell you it's kicked you out. You just go to save your notes and it puts you to a login screen, discarding everything you've typed.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by chii »

qazwse_ wrote: post #658
Arrath wrote: post #492

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I was chasing this issue with my previous desktop which, at the time, was in my bedroom. I've always preferred sleep/hibernate over shutting it down but when Windows decided it knew better and to constantly wake it from sleep in the middle of the night to do updates, filling my room with light from all the case/fan leds, I was about ready to go Office Space on the thing. What was worse, it wouldn't go back to sleep a…

I had the exact same experience. Nothing like being woken up at 2 am because Windows decided now is a good time to update. It's one of the major reasons I decided to switch to desktop Linux permanently.

> Nothing like being woken up at 2 am because Windows decided now is a good time to update.

while i understand the intention behind automatic updates, i feel it's an anti-user design. It is based on the assumption (a bad one) that the user isn't intelligent enough to do the update at a time suitable for them. It assumes that the windows design and dev team knows better. It takes control away from the user.

Rather than forcing automatic updates, it is better to teach the user why updates are important. Education beats subversion.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by saltcured »

znpy wrote: post #183
lmilcin wrote: post #157

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There is a difference between T440 and T440s. T440s is already power optimized and runs integrated GPU vs T440 which is more normal laptop with discrete graphics. I used mostly powertop but this is less reliable source of information when you are running discrete graphics card.

My T440 does not have a discrete GPU. It's basically a T440s without the touchpad. But it's got an i7, of that matters.

As an i7, is it quad core? I had a T440p with i7-4700MQ and it had terrible power consumption compared to prior and later Thinkpads I have experienced.

What I saw in powertop was that it never got into the better "package" power states. The cores could all be spending 90%+ of the time in C7 but the package as a whole was in C2 or worse. I never found a way to fix this.

Mine had the NVIDIA GPU as well as Intel iGPU, and I primarily used it with the iGPU. The NVIDIA was of the sort that was not connected to a physical output, so it supposedly could be powered down when not being used. I had no way to truly verify this, of course.

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Post by xxs »

brianwawok wrote: post #509
andrewia wrote: post #499

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I found a solution on Microsoft's website: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/surface-it-pro-blog/s... It appears you can instruct it to avoid connecting to the internet to do stuff while in standby. I hope this works since my Surface Book has bad standby drain after sitting on my desk for 2-3 days off charge.

The best part is, most of these security changes you do get reset every so often from patches, so it will revert to the "bad" behavior within 6 months.

pretty much all kind of settings reset - even extremely obnoxious ones like - Microsoft weather using Frankenstein degrees instead (Cience).

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by rednafi »

I don't use Windows but this still happened to me with my XPS 15 2020.

I put it in sleep and shoved it in a bag while going on a hike. Fortunately it was only an hour hike and I could literally feel the heat emanating from the machine through the fabric of the bag. Don't do it.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by smsm42 »

alanh wrote: post #671
nielsbot wrote: post #605

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similar to PowerNap from Apple https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/what-is-power-nap-m... Although I don't think Apple recommends not keeping your laptop in a bag.

FWIW: 1) Looking at System Preferences right now, the setting for Power Nap reads as follows: > [x] Enable Power Nap while plugged into a power adapter > While sleeping, your Mac can back up using Time Machine and periodically check fro new email, calendar, and other iCloud updates This indicates that it should not have any affect on a sleeping MacBook in a bag (presumably disconnected from power). 2) That said, I ha…

I had these too, even though I have power nap disabled. But given how horrendously buggy the whole power cycle thing in Macs is I am not surprised. I've seen it after coming from sleep completely forget all display configs, freeze cold, switch displays, refuse to connect bluetooth devices until I remove and re-register them, and so much other fun stuff. So just waking up and wasting a ton of battery is par for the course. The whole sleep thing is deeply broken there, and since there's no transparency there's no way to see even if it's "sleeping" or just staying up and heating itself up.
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