While we're at it, can we enforce some labeling standards? USB-C has become this mystery port/cable that might or might not be capable of video/data/charging at ? throughput. Earlier USB standards had this issue to some extent, but C takes it to another level.
EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all phones
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> Lots of right wing parties in the EU advocate for a "countryname-exit" Not anymore, that was the past! Bellies are still aching from laughter after Brexit, and EU has got the final approval stamp after 2016.
Most of the Eastern European countries have significant exit moves.
Also remember, until the day the brexit vote happened, the Brexxit was not possible,not real and not even worth discussing on HN.
Such things might not make waves in the high-tech bubble, but in the real world, such movements might be considerable. Lots of people see globalism as a attack on their life and community by now.
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Most of the Eastern European countries have significant exit moves.
Afd in germany is going into the same direction Also remember, until the day the brexit vote happened, the Brexxit was not possible,not real and not even worth discussing on HN. Such things might not make waves in the high-tech bubble, but in the real world, such movements might be considerable. Lots of people see globalism as a attack on their life and community by now.
I agree with you on this point. It's worth noting that they are usually the same people who actually push for globalism, every time they choose "cheaper" over "local".
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Unless those transfer data and charge as quickly I dont see that being the case, I mean moreso in the case of actual charging cables. Apple dropped the ball on their magsafe wireless charger by not including a wall plug and charging $40 for something a lot of people couldn’t use. Some of the Amazon reviews are people who think its a counterfeit.
Airdrop transfers data at full wifi speed and I’m sure we could make a universal standard for that. The charging pads go as high as 15 watts right now. I’m certain we will see more improvements in the future.
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> Are you also going to push for governments to force Apple to make iPhones with removable batteries That's not such a bad idea. Or at least make the iPhone more repairable by not having to tare it appart just to change the battery.
If that was important for people, people would buy phones with removable batteries.
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The government already mandates the electricity interconnect one step back at the wall socket. This is just extending that to modern devices.
Government doesn't regulate the other side of that interconnect. There are dozens of different DC power connectors that go into a two or three prong wall outlet. And at least in the US I believe the regulations are local building codes
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If that was important for people, people would buy phones with removable batteries.
Manufacturers that are interested in catering to that market don't have the capital/resources to compete with Apple on more common customer needs like performance and efficiency. So there's effectively a natural monopoly on high performance mobile devices which allows Apple, and a small number of other brands, to be customer-hostile in other ways.
I am more inclined to believe that they consumers have signaled that removable batteries are not as important as improvements on other constraints like size, durability and material look & feel.
Let me flip the question: if removable batteries and repairability are important to you, why don't you buy a Fairphone?
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Manufacturers that are interested in catering to that market don't have the capital/resources to compete with Apple on more common customer needs like performance and efficiency. So there's effectively a natural monopoly on high performance mobile devices which allows Apple, and a small number of other brands, to be customer-hostile in other ways.
Are you saying that companies like Motorola/Lenovo, Samsung, LG, Sony, Nokia/HMD, Huawei - who all were producing each a handful of different models at the most different price points, targeting all different market segments - didn't have the resources to build a model with a removable battery? I am more inclined to believe that they consumers have signaled that removable batteries are not as important as improvement…
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Are you saying that companies like Motorola/Lenovo, Samsung, LG, Sony, Nokia/HMD, Huawei - who all were producing each a handful of different models at the most different price points, targeting all different market segments - didn't have the resources to build a model with a removable battery? I am more inclined to believe that they consumers have signaled that removable batteries are not as important as improvement…
No, I am saying they don't have the resources to produce phones which are competitive with iPhones on performance. And in the rare cases where a big vendor is able to achieve it, then they inevitably take advantage of that monopolistic position to drop consumer-friendly features like removable batteries, just like Apple. I am saying there is not enough competition at the highest level of performance for market forces…
That is technically not true (Samsung makes their own electronics and their own displays. Flagships from other companies are often based on better specs than Apple's) and completely irrelevant to the point.
> take advantage of that monopolistic position
What monopolistic position?!
> to drop consumer-friendly features like removable batteries
What?! That makes absolutely no sense.
If consumers (as a whole) wanted to have removable batteries, companies would fulfill the demand by producing and marketing those. The fact that the most expensive and premium phones do not have this feature (while a handful of niche companies can offer that at no extra cost) is an indication that the consumer market simply does not care about it.
You are looking at basic supply-and-demand and you are going ass-backwards at it.
Re: EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all phones
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No, I am saying they don't have the resources to produce phones which are competitive with iPhones on performance. And in the rare cases where a big vendor is able to achieve it, then they inevitably take advantage of that monopolistic position to drop consumer-friendly features like removable batteries, just like Apple. I am saying there is not enough competition at the highest level of performance for market forces…
> competitive with iPhones on performance. That is technically not true (Samsung makes their own electronics and their own displays. Flagships from other companies are often based on better specs than Apple's) and completely irrelevant to the point. > take advantage of that monopolistic position What monopolistic position?! > to drop consumer-friendly features like removable batteries What?! That makes absolutely no…
It's the entire basis of the argument which I am making. Maybe you are reading past what I am saying if you think it's irrelevant.
> What monopolistic position?!
The position in which they have access to the highest performance hardware.
> If consumers (as a whole) wanted to have removable batteries, companies would fulfill the demand by producing and marketing those.
Customers are more concerned about having the highest performance hardware. That doesn't mean they don't want removable batteries, obviously nobody would be opposed to having a removable battery since it has many advantages and no inherent disadvantages. But the limited selection of vendors which have access to the highest performance hardware don't need to compete with removable batteries because they have something customers want even more, high performance hardware, which cheaper vendors can't compete with due to economics of scale.
If smaller vendors were able to compete in the high performance device space, then perhaps the increased competition would lead to more options for the customer like high performance devices that also have removable batteries. But because of the natural monopoly that exists among the limited number of vendors which can provide high performance devices, they don't have a need to create those options (even though customers would obviously want them).