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Re: File picker meme

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Post by weberer »

jdub wrote: post #79
weberer wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Then, consider the priorities of the people contributing to the GNOME and GTK projects To be fair, this has been the #1 most requested issue in GNOME for quite a few years. Though now it seems to be second behind a blurry text issue. https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues?sort=popularity >This issue is almost never raised in good faith. I have no idea what you mean by that. This is a big issue that affects a la…

Votes in a bug tracker don't represent the priorities of developers or even a representative audience of users. Yes, it's a known issue, but there are trade-offs and a lot of work involved. Most people just aren't aware of the complexity involved in file chooser implementations and APIs. The file chooser issue is more often raised in the context of internet abuse than good faith user requests. That doesn't mean it's…

>Votes in a bug tracker don't represent the priorities of ... a representative audience of users

>The file chooser issue is more often raised in the context of internet abuse than good faith user requests

What are you basing this on? That sounds incredibly dismissive. I think the core of the issue is that you're so out of touch with your users, that you're mistaking a highly requested feature with hostility. Maybe a user survey would be a good idea to bridge the gap.

I think one large discrepancy is that this only affects a subset of users who frequently handle a large amount of images. In this example, it is users of image boards. But it also includes artist, photographers, etc. Not so much professional programmers. But to those who are affected, they are hindered greatly.

I also see an issue with your idea that there are "good faith" and "bad faith" feature requests. This seems like a really unhealthy way to look at things. There is no conspiracy that there are a bunch of people out there that want to give you a bunch of work to do just to mess with you. 100% of these people are honestly affected by the issue and would like it resolved.

Re: File picker meme

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Post by jdub »

weberer wrote: post #81
jdub wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Votes in a bug tracker don't represent the priorities of developers or even a representative audience of users. Yes, it's a known issue, but there are trade-offs and a lot of work involved. Most people just aren't aware of the complexity involved in file chooser implementations and APIs. The file chooser issue is more often raised in the context of internet abuse than good faith user requests. That doesn't mean it's…

>Votes in a bug tracker don't represent the priorities of ... a representative audience of users >The file chooser issue is more often raised in the context of internet abuse than good faith user requests What are you basing this on? That sounds incredibly dismissive. I think the core of the issue is that you're so out of touch with your users, that you're mistaking a highly requested feature with hostility. Maybe a…

Everyone knows that a richer file chooser is a desirable, highly requested feature and has been for years. There's no question about that, and no one's being dismissive about that. Actually fixing it is a whole other matter.

Genuine user requests are not made in bad faith. Stupid internet abuse is bad faith. Like I said: This issue, and others like it, mostly comes up as thoughtless abuse, not genuine user requests.

You seem like you're trying to convince me that it's a legitimate issue. I already know that. GNOME developers already know that.

Re: File picker meme

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Post by h_anna_h »

jdub wrote: post #64
JasonFruit wrote: post #29

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Absolutely agree about the bizarre textbox that pops up if I accidentally press a key while the filename box isn't selected... what on Earth is it supposed to be doing? Does anyone want that feature, someone who thinks, "Yes, when I hit a key in a Save dialog, I'd like to have a strangely filtered list of the files that are there already!?"

You may have heard the rumour that GTK/GNOME developers make software for simpleton users that don't exist. But you've just run into a power user feature that you don't understand. Now, what do you think will happen if the GTK/GNOME developers get rid of that "bizarre textbox" so it doesn't get in your way? Yes, they'll get a torrent of abuse for "removing the last power user feature" or something. :-)

People were actually annoyed when they replaced the normal search with the new recursive one, so I doubt it.

Re: File picker meme

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Post by TLLtchvL8KZ »

Gualdrapo wrote: post #43
forgotpwd16 wrote: post #6

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This meme isn't a limited case and it's representative of the mindset that GNOME has. Extremely focused in one "vision" disregarding the opinions and issues of users.

Alas it does not happen only on GNOME. For example, mentioning how irrational is that to this day GIMP has no dedicated tool to draw basic geometric shapes (rectangles, ovals) as every other image editor does, even the most basic ones, can get you a lecture about how GIMP is free software, its lack of funding, that (allegedly) those tools are irrelevant and go against their philosophy, downvotes, bans...

GIMP is crap, the reason they make up all those excuses is because they have nothing better than it. The majority of them talking online seem to think GIMP is a superior image manipulation tool than Photoshop on a technical level despite the fact gimp cannot even simply or reliably draw a circle.

Re: File picker meme

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Post by TLLtchvL8KZ »

BrightGlow wrote: post #56
smoldesu wrote: post #36

I hopped off the GNOME train a few months ago, v40 was just too much, too fast, and will likely leave the ecosystem pretty broken for the considerable future. However, I still really like GTK (even prefer it over QT, in many ways) and have full faith that the Linux desktop will push through. What concerns me is the hypocrisy of the modern GNOME team and how little they listen to the actual community using their DE. T…

>What concerns me is the hypocrisy of the modern GNOME team and how little they listen to the actual community using their DE. Please remember: GNOME is a loosely connected group of volunteers all working on what they want to work on. If one person says they're prioritizing something and another person says they're going to do something else, that's not hypocrisy, that's just a difference of opinion. I know it may be…

Many in charge seem to employed by Red Hat. Really makes you go "Hmmm...".

Re: File picker meme

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Post by skinkestek »

ayushnix wrote: post #50
dkarl wrote: post #46

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Oh, dear. Are they still chasing my grandmother? My grandmother has been dead for several years now, and my mom barely uses a laptop anymore, since she prefers her tablet.

Someone would have to really despise their grandmother if they install Linux on her desktop, doesn't matter which DE it is. I guess some people out there do like moron-friendly UI and UX.

A granddad I think (he was at least old enough to be one) taught me that Ubuntu was a usable not too bad looking Gnome distro back in 2006 or so...

Of course in my opinion Ubuntu isn't the same now as then but on the other hand KDE Neon is now even better.

Re: File picker meme

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Post by skinkestek »

jeroenhd wrote: post #67
rozab wrote: post #59

@dang might want to remove this based on page edit. Submitting a link to a 4chan wiki was probably a silly idea :)

Or link to the version of the page before the edits: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=File_Picker_m...

That has been hijacked too, this should work: https://archive.ph/Gq2hv
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