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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by bsdubernerd »

This is not exclusive to Dell.

Many laptop makers started to intentionally disable S3 for the "enhanced" S2. This was/is true of Lenovo as well: for roughly 6 months S3 was disabled completely on the then-new 3rd generation Yoga X1 laptops and Carbon counterparts. It was re-enabled thanks to linux user's uproar under the "legacy sleep mode" umbrella.

Why would you go as far as disabling it, is beyond me. S3 is the sleep mode I expect on a laptop. S2 sounds useful for tablet/phone behavior.

Hibernation doesn't of course suffer from this issue, and I never experienced this on any laptop with S3 sleep.

Of course, if you shut down your laptop and put it immediately in a bag, temperature will raise temporarily even if the system is off due to the inability to dissipate heat. You should be aware of this, and avoid immediately bagging the laptop just after rebuilding the kernel ;)

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by avianlyric »

vertis wrote: post #159
neuromancer2600 wrote: post #133

I had a Dell XPS 9310 until about 3 months ago when suddenly one of the fans died on me for no obvious reasons while I was in quarantine. Given that the fans are now soldered onto the mainboard, Dell was offering me to repair this for almost the same amount I paid for the whole laptop 2 years earlier. Needless to say that this was the last time I will buy a Dell. Since I am located in Asia, I also went to one of the…

Apple as well. I have a 2018 15" Macbook Pro with problems: - The battery is dying - The touchbar flickers whenever it is 'off' - a hardware fault that requires the full top case to replaced[1] - Quotes of $400-1200. And things that aren't technically problems but still have the same, can't do anything about it stuck with the problem vibe: - I keep running out of space, but it's soldered to the logic board - Keyboard…

With the M1 Macs Apple have done quite a lot to address these issues.

The M1 MacBook Air I’m using feels as reliable and cool as mid 2000 MacBook. Complete night and day difference to the hot mess which was my previous 2018 MacBook Pro.

I still wish Framework would scale faster and start selling the the EU today. But building a hardware company is slow and hard.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by regularfry »

creshal wrote: post #64
sandGorgon wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh wow. i did NOT know that. Even worse... > Switching between S3 and Modern Standby cannot be done by changing a setting in the BIOS. Switching the power model is not supported in Windows without a complete OS re-install. and on Reddit > Warning: if your laptop is newer than 2019, there is a high chance, your OEM removed any S3 code from the bios, and your laptop will crash entering S3 and you have to force hold pow…

Seems to be mostly a Dell/Microsoft problem, haven't heard of other vendors removing S3 functionality (yet, anyway).

I've got a Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 which doesn't advertise S3. It's a really nice machine, but having to wait several months after getting it for someone out there who understands these things to come up with the right combination of kernel code and ACPI patches so I could shut the lid and not have it just reset when I opened it back up again was something I could have done without. Fortunately it's got the capability, it just needed turning on.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by senkora »

neuromancer2600 wrote: post #133

I had a Dell XPS 9310 until about 3 months ago when suddenly one of the fans died on me for no obvious reasons while I was in quarantine. Given that the fans are now soldered onto the mainboard, Dell was offering me to repair this for almost the same amount I paid for the whole laptop 2 years earlier. Needless to say that this was the last time I will buy a Dell. Since I am located in Asia, I also went to one of the…

Anecdotally, I know three people including myself who’ve had ASUS machines die on them right out of warranty protection, and I do not recommend them at all.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by Majestic121 »

undecisive wrote: post #36

Reminds me of the push a while back to rebrand laptops as "notebooks" - because many laptops (esp Dell XPS) are not built with a strong enough backbone to keep their own weight from sagging in the middle, and because they get hot enough to cause damage to legs. I have had an XPS since 2017, it had everything I wanted (I thought) - but I seriously regretted the decision almost immediately. High-intensity tasks (gaming…

I had the exact same issue (base of the laptop bowing because the battery is swollen, the trackpad was almost coming out) : it's actually pretty straightforward to replace the battery yourself.

Unscrew something like 8 standard screw, replace the battery, rescrew.

If you don't have any tools at home and are not sure what battery to buy : https://eustore.ifixit.com/products/dell-xps-15-9550-and-551...

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by lotsofpulp »

tomp wrote: post #152
jraph wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good for you. You probably happen to use your Macs in a way you don't hit those bugs, and didn't have to deal with faulty hardware. I'm sure things are flawless most of the time too. My computers also go to sleep reliably. They are professional hardware, of good quality, and from different brands. I'm sure other models of other brands or of the same brands have quirks, or that there are people who have problems with…

Sure, but for a Mac, it's a "bug" or "faulty hardware". For XPS (and presumably many other Windows laptops), it's policy .

Closing the lid has never worked for me on a Windows laptop, even the most expensiveness HP Elitebooks or Dell’a Latitude Pro or whatever. On my MacBook Air, it has never been a problem for 7 years.

It is one of the main reasons I moved to Apple, it is just so much more convenient not having to worry about it.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by Majestic121 »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #106
undecisive wrote: post #36

Reminds me of the push a while back to rebrand laptops as "notebooks" - because many laptops (esp Dell XPS) are not built with a strong enough backbone to keep their own weight from sagging in the middle, and because they get hot enough to cause damage to legs. I have had an XPS since 2017, it had everything I wanted (I thought) - but I seriously regretted the decision almost immediately. High-intensity tasks (gaming…

> Nowadays, the base of the laptop has bowed, causing the trackpad to unglue and jut out at an angle. I don't think that's coming from the laptop sagging. They're pretty rigid. I think your battery has swollen. But fret not, it's "factory-replaceable". There's another modern trend with what appears to be no justification.

It's really not hard to replace the battery yourself, no need to send it back to factory.

But you do have the option if you don't want to do it yourself nor go to a repair shop

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by [deleted] »

blablabla123 wrote: post #199
joeberon wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not going to lie but Apple have put pretty high standards on what people expect to work with all laptops nowadays, and many OEMs seem unable or unwilling to try to catch up.

Yes and no. Speaking of hibernation/standby/wakeup, that just works (TM). Also the chassis is more robust than classical PC laptops - although many manufacturers have catched up. On the other hand the keyboards have mixed quality, CPU/GPU model and choice has been questionable (below average performance). Also other manufacturers don't seem to have problems building "always-on" systems when it comes to tablets or sma…

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by uberduper »

FlyingAvatar wrote: post #128
reitzensteinm wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a 2020 MBP, and it's as shitty as any high end Windows laptop I've used. The thermals are awful under moderate CPU use, the fan spins when using an external monitor, the battery vampire drains when it's shut for an extended time instead of saving memory to disk and shutting off. I think what really happens is people compare $1k Dells with $3k Apples. I'm looking forward to an M1X MBP, though. That may legitima…

Regarding the problem discussed in the article, the Dell could easily cost $3,000, and the problem would not exist a $1000 MacBook, even an Intel one. In this case, I think it’s Apple’s proper prioritization of features. Probably also that Apple is able to do this because they don’t have to work on dozens of different models at the same time. It’s amazing to me that no major PC manufacturers have really done this yet…

I had the exact overheating in a bag problem described here with my 2012 15" MBP within days of buying it. It had all sorts of sleep problems for a very long time.

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Post by vertis »

avianlyric wrote: post #242
vertis wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple as well. I have a 2018 15" Macbook Pro with problems: - The battery is dying - The touchbar flickers whenever it is 'off' - a hardware fault that requires the full top case to replaced[1] - Quotes of $400-1200. And things that aren't technically problems but still have the same, can't do anything about it stuck with the problem vibe: - I keep running out of space, but it's soldered to the logic board - Keyboard…

With the M1 Macs Apple have done quite a lot to address these issues. The M1 MacBook Air I’m using feels as reliable and cool as mid 2000 MacBook. Complete night and day difference to the hot mess which was my previous 2018 MacBook Pro. I still wish Framework would scale faster and start selling the the EU today. But building a hardware company is slow and hard.

My GF has a M1 mac and is quite happy with it. I have a problem rewarding Apple with another purchase, given the dismal performance of this machine.

The 2018 mac was a top of the line purchase. I think it came to about $5000 AUD if memory serves. It's essentially worthless now because I can't sell it in it's current state.

I might cave when they update the 16in to M1X sometime soon, but I won't be happy about it.

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