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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by Raed667 »

creshal wrote: post #58
Raed667 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> laptop overheating if being put in the backpack I killed a macbook air exactly like this. It just decided not to shutdown like usual. Usually I'd put it on sleep mode, or just close the lid and it is fine, but it only took one time for it not to work properly to find the insides of my backpack like a sauna.

> It just decided not to shutdown like usual. This happened once or twice with Windows laptops for me (Lenovo and Asus); but each time the laptop survived. Was yours a fanless model?

It was probably the 2017 model, it had a fan. But it was in the tight pouch within the backpack that was supposed to protect laptops from bumps, so it didn't have much room to breath.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by joeberon »

toxik wrote: post #53

The entire fucking point in a laptop is to be portable. If you _have_ to shut it down completely before putting it in a bag, it’s not a laptop as any sane person expects it to have that ability. It’s absolutely astonishing that Dell, Microsoft and friends leave walk over in the laptop industry like this. “Oh we decided users don’t really want to be able to close the lid and go home.” ??????

Not going to lie but Apple have put pretty high standards on what people expect to work with all laptops nowadays, and many OEMs seem unable or unwilling to try to catch up.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by Grazester »

I have a Dell laptop that I thought was hibernated. Closed lid usually sets it to hibernate.

Well that didn't work this one time and the laptop was left on in my backpack... Well something fried and now my laptop would not recognize the dell charger and tell me to plug it into a genuine Dell charger half the time and would not charge. It was a 2017 model so when this happened last year I bought a Lenovo.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by monkey_monkey »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #27
kelnos wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this is clickbait; I think any normal user would think that closing the lid puts the laptop into a state where putting it in a bag is entirely safe to do. Microsoft seems to have decided to entirely break this expectation such that closing the lid of a laptop puts it into this weird not-really-suspended state, such that putting it in a confined space could cause it to overheat. It's... pretty user-unfri…

> I think any normal user would think that closing the lid puts the laptop into a state where putting it in a bag is entirely safe to do. Closing the lid does not necessarily turn the laptop off at all (by design). I think most people have had that experience. In fact the lid may be closed with the laptop fully on. In any case, they make is explicit and clear exactly to avoid any such assumption. The title is obvious…

No it's not clickbait.

Weird that you're angrier about a headline than a warranty being voided by putting a laptop in a bag.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by zokier »

vesinisa wrote: post #23
qwerty456127 wrote: post #12

> With regards to transporting your laptop, you must first turn the laptop OFF This has been a problem for already quite long. I remember my very old laptop overheating if being put in the backpack in Standby mode. Nowadays I in fact don't just turn laptops Off the default way. I go and disable the "fast start up" (Control Panel - Power Options - Choose what the power buttons do) to make sure the computer gets turnt…

This is so infuriating, because this problem has already been solved once. It's called "Hibernation", and was added in Windows 95. This should write your MEM image to disk, power the laptop completely off and allow later restoring where you left when powering your laptop back on. But laptop manufacturers (including Apple) thought it somehow smart to remove true hibernation, and replace it with some botched "deep slee…

Hibernation in Windows hasn't gone anywhere. I have a Dell laptop in front of me and it has hibernate in the start menu as normal.

Problem is that hibernation is slooow so people don't like to use it

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by joeberon »

da39a3ee wrote: post #70

This is why people use Apple laptops. I’d be fine using Linux as my OS. But my employer issues my laptop and chooses the model. If serious non-Apple laptop manufacturers are still making crap like this, how do I know my employer won’t choose hardware as bad as this for their Windows and Linux employees?

I agree, you're going to get downvoted but it's just true. This _is_ why people use MacBooks. It just isn't the same experience in other cases, especially now with the extreme quietness and performance of M1, but even before the standby behaviour was extremely reliable.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

vesinisa wrote: post #23
qwerty456127 wrote: post #12

> With regards to transporting your laptop, you must first turn the laptop OFF This has been a problem for already quite long. I remember my very old laptop overheating if being put in the backpack in Standby mode. Nowadays I in fact don't just turn laptops Off the default way. I go and disable the "fast start up" (Control Panel - Power Options - Choose what the power buttons do) to make sure the computer gets turnt…

This is so infuriating, because this problem has already been solved once. It's called "Hibernation", and was added in Windows 95. This should write your MEM image to disk, power the laptop completely off and allow later restoring where you left when powering your laptop back on. But laptop manufacturers (including Apple) thought it somehow smart to remove true hibernation, and replace it with some botched "deep slee…

Hibernation took about three seconds on my Windows 98 SE laptop. It took three minutes on my Windows XP. It never finishes on modern Windows.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by vesinisa »

slezyr wrote: post #68
vesinisa wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is so infuriating, because this problem has already been solved once. It's called "Hibernation", and was added in Windows 95. This should write your MEM image to disk, power the laptop completely off and allow later restoring where you left when powering your laptop back on. But laptop manufacturers (including Apple) thought it somehow smart to remove true hibernation, and replace it with some botched "deep slee…

It might be slower than cold boot on machines with 32GB of RAM

I have a 64 GB Mac with SSD and managed to trick it to use true hibernation (Apple does not want you to know it but you can still achieve true hibernation by enabling disk encryption (FileVault™) and forcing key material erasure from MEM on standby with `sudo pmset -a DestroyFVKeyOnStandBy 1`). I just timed it and bootup from hibernation to UI took 25 seconds, out of which maybe 5 seconds were taken by inputtting the encryption password.

Certainly not a show-stopper, if this means not accidentally killing my €2k+ laptop because it decides to randomly wake up in my bag.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #12

> With regards to transporting your laptop, you must first turn the laptop OFF This has been a problem for already quite long. I remember my very old laptop overheating if being put in the backpack in Standby mode. Nowadays I in fact don't just turn laptops Off the default way. I go and disable the "fast start up" (Control Panel - Power Options - Choose what the power buttons do) to make sure the computer gets turnt…

> Besides starting up fast, another important value standby modes add is freeing you from having to open, position and initialize (open the documents/locations in them) all your apps manually every time. But this seems trivial to be reached by adding functions to just save the list of opened apps, their windows positions and the actual documents which were opened in them. This will require some coordinated effort from both the OS and the apps developers though.

I just gave up on OS and app developers and implemented a half-assed solution myself using scripts. It works mainly because my setup is fairly fixed so I just fire everything up and fix any differences manually if needed.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by quicklime »

toxik wrote: post #53

The entire fucking point in a laptop is to be portable. If you _have_ to shut it down completely before putting it in a bag, it’s not a laptop as any sane person expects it to have that ability. It’s absolutely astonishing that Dell, Microsoft and friends leave walk over in the laptop industry like this. “Oh we decided users don’t really want to be able to close the lid and go home.” ??????

Next thing you know, they'll be telling you that you can't use the device on top of your lap...
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