Epic launches anti-cheat support for Linux, Mac, and Steam Deck

Post by MMS21 » Fri, Sep 24, 2021, 12:53 AM UTC

f0e4c2f7 wrote: post #114

fletchowns wrote: post #89

I wish there was some well respected third party reputation service that I could prove my identity to (government id, utility statements, etc) and then all games just integrate with this third party reputation service. Sort of an Olympic committee for gaming. Give me the option to only play with other verified players. Getting caught cheating in one game then impacts your reputation in _all_ games. There's a gazillio…

It doesn't work across multiple games but Counter-Strike: Global Offensive has a system where you enter your phone number to verify your account and then can queue only with other verified players.

Post by bqmjjx0kac » Fri, Sep 24, 2021, 1:00 AM UTC

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #213

bqmjjx0kac wrote: post #165

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Thanks to the magic of cryptography, it's possible to prove your identity to someone else without enabling them to impersonate you. For instance, the third party gives you a nonce, you sign it with your private key, and they verify it with your public key.

Then I can make one key per game.

Post by MMS21 » Fri, Sep 24, 2021, 1:09 AM UTC

sneak wrote: post #81

jtms wrote: post #61

This is great and all, but I feel like all of these client side cheat detection tools are basically a waste of time. Trying to enforce the trustworthiness of the client is basically an unwinnable arms race between anti-cheat and the cheat makers. A better approach is for the server to treat all clients as hostile and untrustworthy and use a combination of heuristics and statistics to ferret out malicious client behav…

Simply because a tech arms race is theoretically unwinnable doesn't mean that trying to win a little doesn't deliver value to the company and its ecosystem. You can emulate an android and run snapchat and screenshot the emulator, but the screenshot reporting inside of snapchat is still valued by millions (and shapes the behavior of millions).

Post by MMS21 » Fri, Sep 24, 2021, 1:16 AM UTC

jay_kyburz wrote: post #222

015a wrote: post #93

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I'll go on the record and say above 5% by December 31st 2022. Depending on who you ask, its at ~2% today. If that feels high to you, remember: it includes Chromebooks. As it grows, you'll absolutely hear people say "Chromebooks" or "Steam Decks should be their own category, they don't count". These arguments effectively reduce to "Linux cannot be popular, so I'll move the goalposts so it never is." Ignore them, and p…

Woah, I'm a linux gamer but %5 by 23 is crazy. Steam Deck is going to be super niche, and a lot of people over on reddit are already planning how they will install Windows on it. It's not going to explode. It will creep up very slowly. And lets not forget that Microsoft will combat it if it starts to take off. Game pass is already and incredible deal. We have it in our house for the xbox.

Post by thirtyseven » Fri, Sep 24, 2021, 1:18 AM UTC

rcoveson wrote: post #218

tablespoon wrote: post #207

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> Arguably necessary when cheats people install themselves are actual rootkits. There's a hardware cheat that's actually in the wild that uses a capture card, computer vision, and hardware input devices to run entirely outside the OS: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/07/cheat-maker-brags-of-...

With all my heart, I'm rooting for the authors of this approach. Anti-cheat and DRM hide behind the defense of practicality and cost efficiency, but these products are absolutely evil. As personal computers are becoming more and more an extension of our bodies and minds, it is essential that they act in our interests and nobody else's. Imagine a prosthetic leg that phoned the insurance company if it detected illegal…