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Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by stephenr »

smoldesu wrote: post #384
stephenr wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

s/got in a spat/had years of repeated customer issues because of GPUs shitting the bed/

In no way thanks to Apple's insistence on using weak solder and forcing the device to be as thin as possible. I've heard people argue this up and down the street, but I have a hard time believing it when most Windows/Linux devices have no problem managing their thermals in a way that doesn't destroy their hardware.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2008/07/nvidia-denies-rumors...

It affected a bunch of manufacturers.

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Post by rasz »

passivate wrote: post #316
stephenr wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

s/got in a spat/had years of repeated customer issues because of GPUs shitting the bed/

I think it was a system design issue because of lack of proper cooling from the integrator (Apple). Maybe someone can look it up, I'm going off of memory here..

No, this was 100% Nvidia material engineering fail and affected whole industry. Dell, HP, all heavyweights had huge costly recalls. Apple cooling strategy of having internals as close to 100C "to keep the fan noise down" might of contributed to earlier failures, but pretty much _every single_ Nvidia G84/G86 series GPU died in same way.

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2010/10/nvidia-settle...

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by [deleted] »

ye_olde_gamer wrote: post #399
davidw wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried to explain the details to my son, but he's just disappointed that he can't play a game he liked. He wants to buy a Windows computer and is saving up for it. Trying to get him interested in writing a bit of code, which to me is more fun in some ways than playing games, without pushing it too hard, and so far no luck.

Maybe let him try modding existing games? Steam's community workshop pages are thriving, especially for easily modded titles like Bethesda games. Back in the day, Warcraft III had a built-in script and level editor and people thrived on making mods and entire new types of games with it (murder mysteries, tower defense, battle royale, DOTA...). It's how I got my start as a coder, modding games that I enjoyed without t…

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Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by spzb »

jensensbutton wrote: post #356
spzb wrote: post #307

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Sounds like standard lawyer behaviour. They’re being paid by Apple to look after Apple’s interests.

Are you saying Apple execs have zero say in the strategy they choose to pursue regarding the spat with Epic?

No I’m not but thanks for asking

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by rasz »

smoldesu wrote: post #384
stephenr wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

s/got in a spat/had years of repeated customer issues because of GPUs shitting the bed/

In no way thanks to Apple's insistence on using weak solder and forcing the device to be as thin as possible. I've heard people argue this up and down the street, but I have a hard time believing it when most Windows/Linux devices have no problem managing their thermals in a way that doesn't destroy their hardware.

How did Apple "weak solder" affect HP laptops? https://techcrunch.com/2008/07/10/nvidia-tries-to-cover-up-d...

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by ye_olde_gamer »

davidw wrote: post #339
mattcantstop wrote: post #193

I understand Apple's decision to do this. They want to stick it to Epic. Completely understandable desire on Apple's part. But, sadly, Apple is letting their desire to get vengeance outweigh the interests of their users in having all the games they want to play on their devices. I have been realizing lately that my loyalty to Apple has been waning over the years after having invested heavily in the ecosystem. This is…

I tried to explain the details to my son, but he's just disappointed that he can't play a game he liked. He wants to buy a Windows computer and is saving up for it. Trying to get him interested in writing a bit of code, which to me is more fun in some ways than playing games, without pushing it too hard, and so far no luck.

Side note, but fun fact! Fortnite, the uberpopular battle royale game, is actually itself a mod of the original Fortnite (now called "Fortnite: Save the World").

Originally a tower defense game (you build structures and traps to defend your base against invading alien zombies), some Epic & Unreal Tournament developers decided to fork it into a PvP (competitive player-vs-player) battle royale game instead, loosely based off Player Unknown's Battlegrounds.

It became a surprise hit, propelling Fortnite from "niche DIY tower defense game" to global pop-culture phenomenon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortnite_Battle_Royale#Develop...

(edit: this was reposted... old comment was in the wrong thread)

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by Animats »

cheeze wrote: post #360
Animats wrote: post #305

I would not be surprised if Epic launched a phone to compete with Apple. Epic partners with Tencent in China for games. Tencent sells a "gamer phone", the Black Shark.[1] 90Hz display, liquid cooled. All Epic needs to do is offer that in the US. With a bit of marketing effort, Epic could make their phone the one the cool middle school kids want. Instead of one of those slow Apple old-people phones. [1] https://www.gi…

> liquid cooled What!? That's interesting. Guessing it's 'vapor cooled'?

Probably a heat pipe to spread the CPU and GPU heat around.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by kllrnohj »

rasz wrote: post #412
passivate wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it was a system design issue because of lack of proper cooling from the integrator (Apple). Maybe someone can look it up, I'm going off of memory here..

No, this was 100% Nvidia material engineering fail and affected whole industry. Dell, HP, all heavyweights had huge costly recalls. Apple cooling strategy of having internals as close to 100C "to keep the fan noise down" might of contributed to earlier failures, but pretty much _every single_ Nvidia G84/G86 series GPU died in same way. https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2010/10/nvidia-settle...

Apple had more failures than just that series, such as the GT 650M's in the 2012 models: https://www.anandtech.com/show/8994/apple-initiates-video-re...

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by darkwizard42 »

rhacker wrote: post #229

Next epic lawsuit: Apple must have a justified reason for banning a game / account that is outlined in their TOS. And the exact specific reason must be given in writing so it can be clearly addressed. I mean think about it. It's not just about a feud, the games are literally barred on all computers of a specific type (iOS computers). That's like 1/5 (probably more) of the computing screen that is looked at daily by a…

20% of computers that you can CHOOSE to use. I think the main part of the lawsuit is that Apple is not the only choice that is available (readily, easily, affordably) to consumers.

Subway has the most franchise stores in the USA; that doesn't mean they HAVE to serve you. You can get a sandwich at a number of other places and more abstractly, you can get food at a number of other places. They don't need to give you a reason why they won't let you in, though politely they might (i.e. please wear shoes in the store)

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by siva7 »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #149
HatchedLake721 wrote: post #104

That makes sense. Why would you do business ever again with someone who intentionally breached a contract, publicly smeared you with a calculated negative PR campaign and then sued you? After all this you offer them to allow Fortnite back if they reverse what they've done that breached the contract. Instead, they: - Reject the offer - Carry on smearing you - Lose the court case - Sweeney says they wouldn’t release iO…

It's complicated. Right now Apple makes $0 from Fortnite, if they allow them back they will at least get something. Don't let emotions get in the way of business- there is still money to be made. This feels petty on Apple's part unless they are using this to send a message to anyone else who wants to sue them.

I suspect it's the latter
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