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Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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I tried to explain the details to my son, but he's just disappointed that he can't play a game he liked. He wants to buy a Windows computer and is saving up for it. Trying to get him interested in writing a bit of code, which to me is more fun in some ways than playing games, without pushing it too hard, and so far no luck.

Maybe let him try modding existing games? Steam's community workshop pages are thriving, especially for easily modded titles like Bethesda games. Back in the day, Warcraft III had a built-in script and level editor and people thrived on making mods and entire new types of games with it (murder mysteries, tower defense, battle royale, DOTA...). It's how I got my start as a coder, modding games that I enjoyed without t…

Cool! Any other games like that that people can recommend? Bonus points if it's fairly easy to get started.

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> simply reciting tired anti-trust That's the judge's job. They're not supposed to come up with novel solutions, they're supposed to apply the relevant case law.

I agree. Unfortunately the politicians who make the laws are deeply in the pocket of business and too busy with the political circus to actually make laws.

The $6 million Epic (mentioned in the daringfireball piece) had to compensate Apple would've been better spent on lobbyists.

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This seems to be overstating Apple’s position as neutral here, they are actively hostile to jailbreakers, and Apple will try to stop you any way they can.

Jailbreaking, by definition, is using exploits and vulnerabilities in the security of the device to bypass said security. Of course Apple is going to try and stop that. If they didn't, they'd be admitting that they don't care about the security of their devices which is a major factor in why people and companies buy their devices.

Hmm then possibly Apple could simply allow consenting users to install software by means other than their highly-regulated appstore cash grab.

Every major cosumer 'computer' in history has allowed this as far as I can tell. Yet for some reason now in the last few years its unthinkable on specifically Apple devices. I'm sure it's merely a coincidence they make billions of dollars off of this overly draconian "security" framework.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Is anyone surprised? Apple is one of the most vengeful and anti-competition companies ever and their goal is to lock consumers into their ecosystem and rip them off, and god help any company that tries to get in the way.

They are a bully and can act this way because Epic to them is meaningless. Theres only a handful of companies who can actually threaten Apple with their same medicine at this point, and unfortunately this means consumers suffer.

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Well but that TV requires power lines to operate, and fiber to get its content. Insofar as the neighborhood (or whoever) paid for those, they deserve a cut too.

The HOA forces you to use their power and fiber, so in that case sure. But if you could get power and fiber directly from the TV manufacturer or someone else, then the HOA doesn't need a cut. In this case, the TV manufacturer already has all that infrastructure and they use it in neighborhoods without an HOA. It would be no cost to you or the HOA for you use it but the HOA just doesn't allow it. For obvious reasons,…

If HOAs are so bad why does anyone buy a home in an HOA neighborhood?

If iOS only running Apple’s signed code is so bad why do people keep buying iOS devices?

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I think it was a system design issue because of lack of proper cooling from the integrator (Apple). Maybe someone can look it up, I'm going off of memory here..

Apple's slavish obsession with passive cooling, indeed. It doesn't matter how many times it has been proven to be a bad idea, they're still going to use it.

The M1 Air seems to be a well liked machine.

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Next epic lawsuit: Apple must have a justified reason for banning a game / account that is outlined in their TOS. And the exact specific reason must be given in writing so it can be clearly addressed. I mean think about it. It's not just about a feud, the games are literally barred on all computers of a specific type (iOS computers). That's like 1/5 (probably more) of the computing screen that is looked at daily by a…

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yeah, reasonable commmission seems like 2-4 percent here. I don't think consumers should have to pay more for it. And most important, apps should have no restrictions whatsover to have payments inside their own app ecosystem!

Bingo. There is no reason I have to go to a website to buy a book to read on my book reader app, other than Apple being a bully.

Characterising Apple as bullying Amazon is interesting. The ebook example is quite a fraught one and Apple roundly lost that battle.

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Maybe let him try modding existing games? Steam's community workshop pages are thriving, especially for easily modded titles like Bethesda games. Back in the day, Warcraft III had a built-in script and level editor and people thrived on making mods and entire new types of games with it (murder mysteries, tower defense, battle royale, DOTA...). It's how I got my start as a coder, modding games that I enjoyed without t…

Cool! Any other games like that that people can recommend? Bonus points if it's fairly easy to get started.

I think there's a slight distinction to be made between "games that have built-in low/no-code content editors" and "games that can be modded via an SDK, but you have to code".

The former are good for any creative kid (or adult!) and don't require you to learn a programming language, just logical thinking (as in logic gates/flows). The latter, depending on tooling, can require everything from simple Lua scripts (a common game modding language) all the way up to learning UnrealEngine or Unity.

Games with built-in content editors:

* Warcraft & Starcraft series (oldies but goodies)

* Fortnite

* Minecraft

* Neverwinter Nights series

* Divinity: Original Sin series

* Age of Empires series

Code-moddable games: Too many to list, see here: https://store.steampowered.com/tags/en/Moddable/#p=0&tab=Top...

In particular I'd check out Warcraft, Neverwinter Nights' DM mode, and the DOS editor for a good sampling of what the industry can offer. They are a great stepping stone to actual programming, with triggers, conditionals, and other flow control structures all wrapped behind a veneer of fantasy gaming.

(edit: sorry for potato formatting. no idea how HN handles text formatting)

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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The judge literally just ruled that it wasn't.

.. based on precedents where none of them were digital. Every single precedent cited in this judgement pre-internet.

That doesn’t change the ruling. Appeal might, but as things stand, this has been litigated.
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