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Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by simonh »

jasode wrote: post #8

It's interesting to compare the situation Epic got itself into with previous episodes of Facebook & Google breaking Apple's rules. When Facebook and Google misused Developer Enterprise certificates to go beyond internal testing and distribute apps to end-consumers , Apple revoked their accounts. Both Facebook & Google simply admitted they screwed up and Apple reinstated their accounts.[1] No lawsuits. Epic broke Appl…

Epic is very clearly and definitely not agreeing to follow the App Store rules. They are appealing the judgement precisely because they do not agree with the App Store rules. Trying to overturn them is not agreeing to them.

Epic are agreeing to comply with the court order, for now, but they are not agreeing to the rules. This is not semantics, Apple's offer was that if Epic dropped he suit, they would be let back in. Epic knows this perfectly well.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by Razengan »

sprafa wrote: post #44
golemotron wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The company that buys the remains of Epic can carry on with the lawsuit, I guess.

The remains?? You clearly don’t realise how successful epic is

The other commenters here clearly don’t realize how successful Apple is, or how much more loyal their fans are.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by spywaregorilla »

briandear wrote: post #125
spywaregorilla wrote: post #102

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I would be very happy if I could sell ios content and keep 88% (epic) vs. 70% (apple) of my own revenue. That's a 25% boost in my revenue. That's huge.

You already can keep 85%.

Great! Thanks Epic. But that's not enough. I want actual market competition.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by jfoster »

smiley1437 wrote: post #146
onion2k wrote: post #120

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Tell me again why would _you_ do business with anyone like that? me looking at the massive pile of money fortnite generates Yes.

> Tell me again why would _you_ do business with anyone like that? > me looking at the massive pile of money fortnite generates Yes. Even if it risks your future earnings of literally hundreds of billions of dollars? Apple made about 100 million (0.1 billion) from Fortnite. A lot of money, to be sure. https://fortune.com/2021/05/19/apple-fortnite-epic-games-100... But 2020 App store gross revenue was 72 billion, 30%…

Your premise seems to be that Epic being back on the app store increases the risk of change for Apple, but I would argue that making some degree of peace with Epic definitely decreases the risk of change for Apple. The only way I can rationalise Apple not allowing them back on is that Apple would like for that to be part of a settlement agreement.

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Post by spywaregorilla »

me_me_me wrote: post #160
spywaregorilla wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be very happy if I could sell ios content and keep 88% (epic) vs. 70% (apple) of my own revenue. That's a 25% boost in my revenue. That's huge.

That is what i am saying, outcome and not the process. following epic vs apple fight - the whole play and dance, throwing mud etc etc. Its not worth your time, you cannot affect the outcome. Just ignore it all and learn about the outcome in the end.

And yet, here we are, you and me. Posting about it.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by maxsilver »

HatchedLake721 wrote: post #104

That makes sense. Why would you do business ever again with someone who intentionally breached a contract, publicly smeared you with a calculated negative PR campaign and then sued you? After all this you offer them to allow Fortnite back if they reverse what they've done that breached the contract. Instead, they: - Reject the offer - Carry on smearing you - Lose the court case - Sweeney says they wouldn’t release iO…

The problem with this logic, is that Apple isn't really a "business" in this case. Epic and Apple aren't really "business partners". Apple is an unregulated privately-owned quasi-government entity with none of the responsibilities or checks on authority that a real government has.

You can sue the Post Office, lose your case, and know they can't retaliate by stealing all your mail forever. You can sue the Department of Labour, lose a case, and still have the right to hire employees in the future. You can sue the Fire Department, lose a case, and still reasonably trust they won't burn down your house. You can sue your local Power Company, lose your case, and still trust that they can't unilaterally ban you from ever buying Electricity again.

But you can't ever sue Apple, over anything, ever, no matter how evil Apple is, no matter how heinous Apple's activity may be. Because no matter how valid or correct your complain is, no matter what happens, they'll just black-bag your entire digital existence in retaliation.

Apple is acting like a Government, Apple is ruling like a Government, but Apple has none of the oversight or accountability we'd demand from any reasonable Government.

Folks are thinking of Apple like it's just a video game console, when the more apt comparison is Comcast or AT&T. Apple shouldn't be allowed to control what does or does not live in the App Store, for the same reason that Comcast shouldn't even be allowed to decide what websites or services you do/don't use.

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Post by Razengan »

LanceH wrote: post #118
p2t2p wrote: post #82

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My life under Tim Cook's "vision" is pretty sweet when it comes to electronic devices. With a tap of a button I fill my house with lossless quality of music that is playing on astonishingly capable speakers. Those speakers also answer my questions and run automations on my phone which I can create in a very nice and user-friendly interface. I'm currently watching an episode of a TV Series that is playing from my NAS…

And yet, you're only allowed to install what they authorize. It's a nice cell.

There’s nothing I want to install on an iPhone or iPad that’s not on the App Store.
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