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Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

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Post by schleck8 »

bsclifton wrote: post #76
open-paren wrote: post #4

To start a call, there is a requirement that you are 1) Using the Brave Browser 2) Have Brave Rewards (their crypto-and-ads service) turned on. Not loving that. Edit: the first one is fine (although a little strange that it is a requirement here but not for their other products, like Brave Search). I'm irked by the second one.

There is an alternative option 2 available- you can subscribe to Brave Premium for a cost (shows as $7 USD/month). Just wanted to share as I hadn't seen it mentioned here For the no-cost option, enabling Brave Rewards helps Brave to cover the costs of video infrastructure

They appear to be launching additional perks for this premium subscription, like a VPN. I hadn't heard of it until today

Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

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Post by rglullis »

Barrin92 wrote: post #182
rglullis wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you pay to have a browser-independent version?

you don't need to pay anything. They've just repackaged Jitsi into the browser, which is already free https://jitsi.org/jitsi-meet/

TANSTAAFL

Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

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Post by 1_player »

soundnote wrote: post #166
smoldesu wrote: post #100

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I hate playing cards and hate disagreeing with a personal hero even more, but as a gay person I frankly have a hard time caring. Eich is an idiot on the same level as Rob Monster, but he has a right to espouse or endorse whatever completely bonkers shit he wants. That's the reason why open source exists, and why we reserve the right to maintain a fork of someone's software if their leadership comes into question. I u…

It's probably criminal to be this level-headed nowadays, kudos.

It is impossible to have an HN post about Brave without two mentions:

- Brave's foray in the crypto world

- What Eich did in his last moments at Mozilla

It is a rare and bittersweet joy to see someone try their hardest to detach for the constant, angry mob that forms every time there's a chance to. We are no better than Reddit or YouTube comments, however we want to think we are.

Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

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Post by 1_player »

endisneigh wrote: post #17

I wonder if Brave (the company) is what Mozilla would look like if Eich ended up being CEO of Mozila. EDIT: Some people took offense, so I am more explicit in my hypothetical here.

> Some people took offense

Frankly it was an interesting observation of yours, but a less charitable view of your comment is that you were subtly trying to start the same idiotic flame thread found at the bottom of any Brave post on this forum. And you did.

In case your observation was in good faith, I don't think Mozilla would have gone so deep into crypto and those little unsavoury sponsorships (Binance, etc.) had Eich never left his top spot, and I am positive his governance would have kept Mozilla and Firefox itself in a better place than whatever is happening over there right now.

Feels like we're watching the slow death of a beloved tech company that's one of the cornerstones of net neutrality, and I can't see a way out for them without radical changes in direction and management.

Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

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Post by input_sh »

BrendanEich wrote: post #184
input_sh wrote: post #161

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How would you describe stripping ads from websites and then displaying different ones? Personally, I'd call that replacing website ads with your own. I'm fully aware that you don't show them within the content (but in notification) and that it's an opt-in thing, but that doesn't make the statement inaccurate. You absolutely are removing them and showing others. In other words, you're replacing them.

Dictionary time again: verb: replace; 3rd person present: replaces; past tense: replaced; past participle: replaced; gerund or present participle: replacing 1. take the place of. "Ian's smile was replaced by a frown" 2. put (something) back in a previous place or position. "he drained his glass and replaced it on the bar" Using "replace" implies in situ (which is false as you admit), or else you seem to think the pag…

If I take your laptop and put a different one two meters away, I've still replaced it. If I take your glass at the bar to fill it up, is there a requirement that I place it in the exact same position as your previous one, or is there a pretty big margin of error? What makes screen estate different than that?

In general, I'm all for the concept of micropayments to websites. But your implementation, weasly language (like here), and of course your homophobic donations makes Brave pretty unappealing to me. I'd rather choose freaking Chrome with a stripped down ad-blocker than it.

...I mean, using Brave is still using Chrome(ium) with a different skin on top, leaky Tor integration, and your own coin that you own... how much of?

Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

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Post by hundchenkatze »

BrendanEich wrote: post #181
hundchenkatze wrote: post #175

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So it works in all major browsers once you redefine "works" - got it.

No, once you start a call, which requires native code for the full offering (N>2, any time and duration). See TANSTAAFL reply above.

I don't care what kind of code is required for it to actually work. If I can't start a call in a browser other than Brave, then it by definition does _not_ work in every browser. You stating that it requires native code that's not present in other browsers is clear evidence that it doesn't work in all browsers.

Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

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Post by 6510 »

opheliate wrote: post #84
jonathansampson wrote: post #66

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No pivoting; just an incremental realization of a better Web. We never replaced ads. Brave blocks trackers, and their associated third-party ads for privacy and security reasons—we've done this from the start. But when you block third-party ads, you cut into the revenue of publishers, creators, and other content makers. Cutting revenue for those who make the Web wonderful is not ideal, so an alternative approach was…

> We never replaced ads. How can you be so disingenuous? You removed ads, then introduced your own advertising. You may see those as two separate events, but the consequence is the same as if you had chosen to replace ads.

There are 3 types of ads:

1) non tracking on page 2) tracking on page 3) brave ads

The user can chose to block or allow each. It could be considered Brave replacing them if the default was to not have (2) and have (3) but you have to enable brave rewards yourself. You could say it allows the user to replace the ads but that wouldn't be very specific as the ads are of a different type and value.

Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

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Post by anaganisk »

betwixthewires wrote: post #195

Jitsi? Anyone? I'm not one of those people that doesn't like redundancy or thinks that people developing tools that serve a purpose for which other tools already exist is a waste of time. I like options, I want people to build what they think they should build. But I honestly do not see a point of this, except that Brave is trying to become an ecosystem. I don't want another ecosystem.

Dont use it? Its not like Google is trying to force google meet on on you? Or Microsoft is forcing edge on windows, oh yeah they already do it.

Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

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Post by blitzar »

runawaybottle wrote: post #46
blitzar wrote: post #40

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https://meet.jit.si/ Start & Join meetings for free - No account needed

At scale, nothing is free. They are offering this free to everyone via their browser. https://jaas.8x8.vc/#/pricing

> They are offering this free to everyone via their browser.

By they I assume you mean Brave - by this I assume you mean Jitsi, which Jitsi also offers free to everyone via any browser.

Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

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Post by olah_1 »

blitzar wrote: post #209
runawaybottle wrote: post #46

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At scale, nothing is free. They are offering this free to everyone via their browser. https://jaas.8x8.vc/#/pricing

> They are offering this free to everyone via their browser. By they I assume you mean Brave - by this I assume you mean Jitsi, which Jitsi also offers free to everyone via any browser.

> which Jitsi also offers free to everyone via any browser.

Jitsi is eating that cost. Nothing is free.

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