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Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

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Brave Talk does work in all major browsers. Initiating a call requires Brave, but participation in a call does not.

So it works in all major browsers once you redefine "works" - got it.

No, once you start a call, which requires native code for the full offering (N>2, any time and duration). See TANSTAAFL reply above.

Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

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Sorry but why is Number 1 to be expected? HN often shows a lot of hate when any Google products like Gmail or Google Meet works well on Chrome, but not on Firefox. Web technologies should be browser independent.

Would you pay to have a browser-independent version?

you don't need to pay anything. They've just repackaged Jitsi into the browser, which is already free

https://jitsi.org/jitsi-meet/

Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

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Use a dictionary and stop lying about me: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/harass Feelings alone without action cannot be considered harassment, legally or by that definition. Words are the means to meaning, and if you continue to misuse them, no one will talk with you.

From the dictionary literally: > to create an unpleasant or hostile situation for especially by uninvited and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct If the situation is expressed(felt) by employees as hostile or unwelcome (those who were target of the political view), then by definition it can be considered as harassement, if it is visible somehow. It does not need to go the court to be.

I never exhibited "verbal or physical conduct". Why are you still lying?

Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

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No, we never replaced ads on websites with our own; and no, we made nothing from the binance.com/.us autocomplete bug (no other URLs, no links in pages) getting affiliate codes. Be careful what misinformation you parrot. It doesn't help anyone looking for better privacy products or trustworthy commenters.

How would you describe stripping ads from websites and then displaying different ones? Personally, I'd call that replacing website ads with your own. I'm fully aware that you don't show them within the content (but in notification) and that it's an opt-in thing, but that doesn't make the statement inaccurate. You absolutely are removing them and showing others. In other words, you're replacing them.

Dictionary time again:

verb: replace; 3rd person present: replaces; past tense: replaced; past participle: replaced; gerund or present participle: replacing

1. take the place of. "Ian's smile was replaced by a frown"

2. put (something) back in a previous place or position. "he drained his glass and replaced it on the bar"

Using "replace" implies in situ (which is false as you admit), or else you seem to think the page owns all your display and OS-mediated window-system attention "surface area". It does not, no page even needs to show for an opt-in Brave User Ad to be posted.

So as you've kindly admitted the "in a previous place or position" sense is false, you must mean any page owns your eyeballs if it's anywhere near a user ad. I demur and so do our users. Publishers don't own your eyes, desktop, toolbars, tab strip, new tab pages, or notification channels.

Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

#186
Yet another silly messaging app. Why not just use an open protocol like Matrix and have done with it? Makes far more sense than this.

Nobody asked for their browser to be a messaging system in 2021, nor for exclusivity of initiation based upon browser. Lol?

Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

#187

To start a call, there is a requirement that you are 1) Using the Brave Browser 2) Have Brave Rewards (their crypto-and-ads service) turned on. Not loving that. Edit: the first one is fine (although a little strange that it is a requirement here but not for their other products, like Brave Search). I'm irked by the second one.

The first one is because we have to use native code with our partner for a user hosting a call to create one. After the call is up, any modern browser can be used to join, given the unique link provided by the host. The second one, I addressed directly for all Brave products that have significant fixed and per-user/usage costs, the other week on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/BATProject/comments/pl2lgi/comment/...…

Many thanks for the explanation Brendan!

Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

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Hard to imply they are a paid shill of google when they are the only thing stopping us from Chrome browser 100% adoption rate.

No, Apple stands in the way. If you mean browser engine, still true: WebKit was forked as Blink on 4/3/2013 and diverged on both sides since. The time for a new engine may come, and I saw a clean room one go by on HN the other day. It's very hard to get to webcompat. Gecko loses compatibility as Firefox loses market share. For now, the more important fight is a level up: tracker blocking, users dealt into the economi…

Point taken ... safari numbers are a little inflated by the iOS share, however, they are devices and that is where the web is used.

Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

#189

Important to note that only 1:1 calls are E2E encrypted and larger calls are forwarded to a SFU that 8x8 calls "Jitsi Videobridge" where they are decrypted, processed in memory, and then re-encrypted for each participant stream.

Hi I'd like to correct this, if you have enabled "Video Bridge Encryption" in Brave Talk, this is not the case. Calls of up to 20 participants would be encrypted, using keys locally exchanged among participants. The SFU wouldn't be able to decrypt these video/audio streams. Of course, as would be standard and expected, the SFU would decrypt the transport layer of encryption, but wouldn't be able to decrypt the second layer of video/audio encryption. You can find more about the current underlying Jitsi encryption implementation here: https://jitsi.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/jitsi-e2ee-1.0....

Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

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How would you describe stripping ads from websites and then displaying different ones? Personally, I'd call that replacing website ads with your own. I'm fully aware that you don't show them within the content (but in notification) and that it's an opt-in thing, but that doesn't make the statement inaccurate. You absolutely are removing them and showing others. In other words, you're replacing them.

Dictionary time again: verb: replace; 3rd person present: replaces; past tense: replaced; past participle: replaced; gerund or present participle: replacing 1. take the place of. "Ian's smile was replaced by a frown" 2. put (something) back in a previous place or position. "he drained his glass and replaced it on the bar" Using "replace" implies in situ (which is false as you admit), or else you seem to think the pag…

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