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Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by ribit »

gameswithgo wrote: post #33
jasode wrote: post #8

It's interesting to compare the situation Epic got itself into with previous episodes of Facebook & Google breaking Apple's rules. When Facebook and Google misused Developer Enterprise certificates to go beyond internal testing and distribute apps to end-consumers , Apple revoked their accounts. Both Facebook & Google simply admitted they screwed up and Apple reinstated their accounts.[1] No lawsuits. Epic broke Appl…

Tim is in the fight for idealogical reasons, not calculated business ones.

Yes, if by ideological reasons you mean „moneyz“.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

bigbizisverywyz wrote: post #51
Jensson wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Epic isn't going anywhere, the appstore wasn't a very significant part of their income. They wouldn't have picked this fight if they couldn't afford it.

>the appstore wasn't a very significant part of their income. So why did they even pick the fight?

because if they won the fight it could have become a significant source of income?

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by ribit »

concinds wrote: post #57
threatofrain wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (2) a declaration that (i) Apple’s termination of the DPLA and the related agreements between Epic Games and Apple was valid, lawful, and enforceable, and (ii) Apple has the contractual right to terminate its DPLA with any or all of Epic Games’ wholly owned subsidiaries, affiliates, and/or other entities under Epic Games’ control at any time and at Apple’s sole discretion. Lest anyone think Apple is ignoring the co…

The fact that Apple was allowed by the court to ban them indefinitely at their discretion, doesn't change the fact that making a public promise, in court (which was widely publicised at the time from what I recall) and reneging on it when their demands were met, is a little shocking, and certainly disappointing. The last time they made that promise was 8 days ago! > Apple says it won’t let Epic Games back in the App…

Except the demands were not met. Epic appealed the court decision, meaning that they are not ok with the demands.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by InGoodFaith »

threatofrain wrote: post #31
Dah00n wrote: post #24

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>Apple could hypothetically ban all of Epic's accounts forever That is just plain wrong. There's no difference in Apple banning all Epic accounts over this and Apple Banning Microsoft or you for what Epic did. Epic is not one company, each account is a different business. Banning different companies in different countries and continents because of a brand name would get Apple sued into oblivion and would likely be th…

> (2) a declaration that (i) Apple’s termination of the DPLA and the related agreements between Epic Games and Apple was valid, lawful, and enforceable, and (ii) Apple has the contractual right to terminate its DPLA with any or all of Epic Games’ wholly owned subsidiaries, affiliates, and/or other entities under Epic Games’ control at any time and at Apple’s sole discretion. Why do you think this is plain wrong?

As you might recall - Apple did retaliate previously by also banning an associated Epic Account (for Unreal Engine and such) but was later legally forced not to [1]

1: https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/9/21492334/epic-fortnite-ap...

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by madeofpalk »

jasode wrote: post #8

It's interesting to compare the situation Epic got itself into with previous episodes of Facebook & Google breaking Apple's rules. When Facebook and Google misused Developer Enterprise certificates to go beyond internal testing and distribute apps to end-consumers , Apple revoked their accounts. Both Facebook & Google simply admitted they screwed up and Apple reinstated their accounts.[1] No lawsuits. Epic broke Appl…

> Epic promises they will comply

Did i miss something where they actually said that? My understanding is that in the past Sweeney's statements have consistently said they will not exclusively offer Apple's IAP which indicates they promise to not comply with the rules.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by vimy »

bigbizisverywyz wrote: post #51
Jensson wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Epic isn't going anywhere, the appstore wasn't a very significant part of their income. They wouldn't have picked this fight if they couldn't afford it.

>the appstore wasn't a very significant part of their income. So why did they even pick the fight?

This is about the future of the metaverse.

Longread: https://medium.com/gamemakers/the-economy-of-the-metaverse-i...

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by mattzito »

concinds wrote: post #57
threatofrain wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (2) a declaration that (i) Apple’s termination of the DPLA and the related agreements between Epic Games and Apple was valid, lawful, and enforceable, and (ii) Apple has the contractual right to terminate its DPLA with any or all of Epic Games’ wholly owned subsidiaries, affiliates, and/or other entities under Epic Games’ control at any time and at Apple’s sole discretion. Lest anyone think Apple is ignoring the co…

The fact that Apple was allowed by the court to ban them indefinitely at their discretion, doesn't change the fact that making a public promise, in court (which was widely publicised at the time from what I recall) and reneging on it when their demands were met, is a little shocking, and certainly disappointing. The last time they made that promise was 8 days ago! > Apple says it won’t let Epic Games back in the App…

But Epic then promptly turned around and appealed. Why should Apple let epic back in when they’re saying they will “play by the rules” in one breath and saying “we don’t accept the courts ruling on the rules” in another?

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by madeofpalk »

YPPH wrote: post #15
threatofrain wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is complying with court rulings, including the judgment that Apple's contract with Epic is valid and enforceable. Apple could hypothetically ban all of Epic's accounts forever, but only the Fortnite account is banned. This appears to be a win for... payment vendors. At this point Epic can only hope for legislative action. Also on the "reasonableness" of Epic's promises... I'm not sure why making a pinky promise…

>Apple could hypothetically ban all of Epic's accounts forever Is this mere conjecture or is it founded on what was said in the court's opinion?

Court's opinion was the Apple has the right to enforce it's contract and ban Epic's developer account.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by [deleted] »

concinds wrote: post #57
threatofrain wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (2) a declaration that (i) Apple’s termination of the DPLA and the related agreements between Epic Games and Apple was valid, lawful, and enforceable, and (ii) Apple has the contractual right to terminate its DPLA with any or all of Epic Games’ wholly owned subsidiaries, affiliates, and/or other entities under Epic Games’ control at any time and at Apple’s sole discretion. Lest anyone think Apple is ignoring the co…

The fact that Apple was allowed by the court to ban them indefinitely at their discretion, doesn't change the fact that making a public promise, in court (which was widely publicised at the time from what I recall) and reneging on it when their demands were met, is a little shocking, and certainly disappointing. The last time they made that promise was 8 days ago! > Apple says it won’t let Epic Games back in the App…

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Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by madeofpalk »

Aeolun wrote: post #46
threatofrain wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legal contracts are also a thing? In terms of seriousness, if you're willing to violate legal contracts, then what is the value of a pinky promise? The value of any promise is the sum of your credibility.

Well, violating the legal contract is just a cost of doing business, that’s why Epic shrugs and pays 6M. I’d argue that the pinky promise means more.

What is a contract if not a slightly more legally binding pinky promise?
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