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Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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I read a post like this every week . How can they possibly claim they’re winning the battle.

Who are their competitors for search, email, video, and cell phone? I'll get comfortable.

Microsoft, Microsoft, TikTok, Apple

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Google's fetish for not providing human support is so counter-productive it makes me think there must be a single powerful individual executive maintaining the policy. It's too stupid to have widespread support among Googlers.

You cannot feasibly provide any level of acceptable human support and remain “free” with a huge user base. Meanwhile, being “free” is crucial if your actual paying customer is the advertisers. If you stop being free, you (gasp) normalize paid service. Suddenly you are conflicted and fighting two fronts, you compete with other paid services, your users can actually demand things and vote with their money, etc.

Any entity that can control an aspect of your life but doesn't give you the possibility to even talk to a human should not exist. I had to call the IRS today and with a little navigation cheat sheet, I found how to get ahold of someone with a 30 minute wait time. It sucked, but I spoke with a human that was very courteous. For a government agency, people dread it. But I at least have a ridiculous timeline to respond and can engage with a representative of the government. Google can virtually shut down your ability to access websites tied to an email, and now you're extraordinarily SOL without any recourse except for legal action. Not to mention they don't even tell you rules you violated if they give you the boot. Even the government today has to do that. But a private company? God forbid!

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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I highly doubt getting locked out of your google drive still allows you to download backups from google backup services...

Which is why I download the Takeout backup monthly.

Oooh... looks like they now have an option on Takeout to automatically do an export every two months, and send it to a third-party provider (your choice of Box, Dropbox, or OneDrive).

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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How many times does that have to happen before people realize there is no cloud, only other people's computers. The data that is stored there is no longer yours, just as thanks to Apple and Co. your hardware no longer really belongs to you, but you only enjoy a temporary right of use. It will be interesting to see when hardly anything remains of an entire generation because everything comes from the cloud: Photos, vi…

I told someone I had catalogued over 20k songs and they thought that was insane. When I explain them my backup system they think I spend a fortune on it. I don't even have an NAS. Just a simple mirroring system with like 6 separate hard drives.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Google's fetish for not providing human support is so counter-productive it makes me think there must be a single powerful individual executive maintaining the policy. It's too stupid to have widespread support among Googlers.

You cannot feasibly provide any level of acceptable human support and remain “free” with a huge user base. Meanwhile, being “free” is crucial if your actual paying customer is the advertisers. If you stop being free, you (gasp) normalize paid service. Suddenly you are conflicted and fighting two fronts, you compete with other paid services, your users can actually demand things and vote with their money, etc.

Yeah, the problem isn't that Google offers a free no-support email option. That's a legit market segment.

The problem is that because so many people misuse that option they deny the economies of scale that would support flourishing paid email providers. And a lot of people think they are OK with the no support plan but they really aren't, and this turns out to be the case when a bot shuts them down. Unfortunately the paid privacy focus email providers suck right now, both at spam filtering (looking at you, protonmail) and the overall UX. Gmail is just much better.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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I have no activity on YouTube, Blogger, or any other Google service since they tied up all the accounts, just to minimize the chance of getting my Gmail chopped off. (Note to self: stop giving feedback on Maps routing. You never know.)

I'm sure you already know, but setting up your own myname@mydomain.tld and then setting that up in Gmail[1][2] means that in a catastrophic scenario (your Gmail is closed) you don't lose your email address. In addition to that, you should frequently take a backup of your Gmail emails[3], then in case your account is locked you can use the exported mbox[4] archive, and import it in Thunderbird, this works reasonably[5…

Or just use Zoho. It's free to link your own domain ($1/mo if you want IMAP access) and they have actual support. I have contacted them in the past about a bug with their DKIM implementation (or really, the UI) and they sorted it out manually on the spot.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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post #221

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Counter productive? To what? Their market cap continues to climb. No one gives a shit about their customer support, or lack there of.

Oh they love their customers and are quite solicitous as to their needs. People using search, gmail, drive etc aren’t the customers.

It's a pain in the arse to get AdSense support too!

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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I will upvote and comment to hopefully gain visibility at the minimum. Google really has an unfortunate customer support set up, in that there isn't one. Your best bet when Google does something bad to their customers like this (And regardless if its a bad AI or bad bot, its still Google doing it), is to post it on twitter or hackernews and hope it gets the visibility for a Google employee to fix it, or contact someo…

Like Facebook and content moderation, Google is incapable of support. Look at the terms: at the very least, they'll be opening themselves up to people calling in with every KilledByGoogle complaint and lament. My impression from watching Google since they launched is that they absolutely do not want to do anything even close to that. Ever, as in the dictionary definition of 'anathema.'

Like Facebook and content moderation, it's a problem entirely of their own making. Zero sympathy, caveat emptor.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Google Takeout is good insurance. I backup my full google dataset every 6 months or so. When Google AI blocks an account, why don't they offer a window of using Google Takeout to get a .zip of all their stuff?

It’s unlikely they’d want to let someone accused of “terrorist activity” download their data, since if it was actually a terrorist some future investigation would probably blame them for materially supporting terrorism which is illegal.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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post #96

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> What we really should be asking is why is google examining user data at all. Without reading into the details, I don't think that google arbitrarily examines all user files on Google Drive (and please correct me if I am wrong, but that's what I remember since the last time this discussion was had). Google only examines files that were shared with other users or were made accessible to others through a shareable lin…

I hope I'm not the only one who got a little squeamish at this...I understand the logic, "don't let people transfer/share things that are illegal". But it doesn't sit right that 1) A gigantic private company operating across most of the world/laws/jurisdictions/precedents etc...is in charge of determining (with little to no human oversight) what can and can't be shared between individuals. Who might even be in compet…

The problem is, sadly, people scream at google because they "let people see bad things". So Google, for PR reasons, responds.
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