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Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by version_five »

ecshafer wrote: post #2

I will upvote and comment to hopefully gain visibility at the minimum. Google really has an unfortunate customer support set up, in that there isn't one. Your best bet when Google does something bad to their customers like this (And regardless if its a bad AI or bad bot, its still Google doing it), is to post it on twitter or hackernews and hope it gets the visibility for a Google employee to fix it, or contact someo…

I saw comment in another one of these discussions saying you should treat google as a potentially hostile adversary and have a contingency plan for what to do when they turn on you.

I agree with this really in relation to every cloud provider. If your business continuity and data are important, there should be a plan for how to keep the lights on if a provider through malice or incompetence stops playing nice. The google specific problem is they are into so much stuff that its not just a question of not using them, you also have to consider what happens when your emails are flagged as spam our you're delisted from search, etc

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by amelius »

croes wrote: post #16

How many times does that have to happen before people realize there is no cloud, only other people's computers. The data that is stored there is no longer yours, just as thanks to Apple and Co. your hardware no longer really belongs to you, but you only enjoy a temporary right of use. It will be interesting to see when hardly anything remains of an entire generation because everything comes from the cloud: Photos, vi…

Apple is still ok, just don't use iCloud.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by Fiahil »

jeffbee wrote: post #14

As a person who formerly worked on the technical side of anti-abuse (both content and account) at Google, I urge you to read these kinds of reports critically. There is no reason to believe any of the details given in the post, which incorporates a lot of supposition about how this system works. For example, we have no rational basis for believing that this was done by some robot at Google. It is at least as likely t…

> As a person who formerly worked on the technical side of anti-abuse (both content and account) at Google

oh well, did you “dogfooded” your own human-review system once flagged by your anti-abuse bots ? Of course not, and that’s why your system suck. If your are/were working at google, you are part of the problem, and if you want to do something about it, you should come down from your ivory tower.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by gibsonf1 »

ColinWright wrote: post #94
gibsonf1 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ahh, I'm on firefox - wonder why its only there? Oh wait, I think that's even worse. This is the case for all google sites, if you use firefox, back button is disabled. Maybe this is to worsen the user experience for Firefox and encourage use of Chrome?

I'm also using Firefox. No addons, running on Ubuntu. I click on the link, read the article, click the "Back" button, and everything works as I expect. Maybe you have some scripts or addons.

Wow, ok, very interesting. It must be something about my particular environment (Also on Ubuntu) that it only affects google sites.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by x0 »

Spooky23 wrote: post #72
scohesc wrote: post #30

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That's honestly really scary and I never thought of that.

I worked as an intern for an archive digitizing old letters among other things. Many aspects of key historical figures are available — letters, etc. You know what they were thinking because you can read some of their personal thoughts. In this day and age, if you’re lucky emails exist, but due to discovery, etc many entities just purge everything. Bad news, this era will be a black hole for future generations to unde…

OTOH, if that sort of data is not purged, it could be far richer than any letter. Many people pretty much use their phones/devices as extensions of their minds, and phones are a very personal, private place.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by jackson1442 »

gorwell wrote: post #48
croes wrote: post #16

How many times does that have to happen before people realize there is no cloud, only other people's computers. The data that is stored there is no longer yours, just as thanks to Apple and Co. your hardware no longer really belongs to you, but you only enjoy a temporary right of use. It will be interesting to see when hardly anything remains of an entire generation because everything comes from the cloud: Photos, vi…

This is why I've stopped buying books on kindle. It gives Amazon the power to censor your book library, and it would not surprise me at all if we see them exercise that power soon.

I personally find a rip of the book online to drop onto my reMarkable then purchase it through some ebook marketplace. Now I have a DRM-free copy and the author gets their cut.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by Miraste »

whymauri wrote: post #52
jazzyjackson wrote: post #32

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do you still have access to support if your account is locked?

Google workspaces requires you to attach a non-workspaces-related account. Unless they both go down, you can still contact them. Worst case, I believe Workspaces requires a phone number now -- at least Google can't wipe that!

Unless you have Google Fi!

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by Causality1 »

ecshafer wrote: post #2

I will upvote and comment to hopefully gain visibility at the minimum. Google really has an unfortunate customer support set up, in that there isn't one. Your best bet when Google does something bad to their customers like this (And regardless if its a bad AI or bad bot, its still Google doing it), is to post it on twitter or hackernews and hope it gets the visibility for a Google employee to fix it, or contact someo…

Google's fetish for not providing human support is so counter-productive it makes me think there must be a single powerful individual executive maintaining the policy. It's too stupid to have widespread support among Googlers.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by Avicebron »

filoleg wrote: post #96
quantumBerry wrote: post #65

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If google really thinks he is a terrorist, which apparently they did, why on earth would they allow him to use gmail or android? It makes sense they would lock him out of everything possible. What we really should be asking is why is google examining user data at all. They should not be in the position where they can even find out who is a terrorist.

> What we really should be asking is why is google examining user data at all. Without reading into the details, I don't think that google arbitrarily examines all user files on Google Drive (and please correct me if I am wrong, but that's what I remember since the last time this discussion was had). Google only examines files that were shared with other users or were made accessible to others through a shareable lin…

I hope I'm not the only one who got a little squeamish at this...I understand the logic, "don't let people transfer/share things that are illegal". But it doesn't sit right that 1) A gigantic private company operating across most of the world/laws/jurisdictions/precedents etc...is in charge of determining (with little to no human oversight) what can and can't be shared between individuals. Who might even be in competing legal jurisdictions. Seems wonky. 2) that it's commonly accepted that they get to look into it period. It's similar to having every package/letter you ever send opened and looked through and judged (ik postal services sometimes scan) but I can't imagine they open every single envelope
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