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Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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How many times does that have to happen before people realize there is no cloud, only other people's computers. The data that is stored there is no longer yours, just as thanks to Apple and Co. your hardware no longer really belongs to you, but you only enjoy a temporary right of use. It will be interesting to see when hardly anything remains of an entire generation because everything comes from the cloud: Photos, vi…

This is why I've stopped buying books on kindle. It gives Amazon the power to censor your book library, and it would not surprise me at all if we see them exercise that power soon.

They already have, when they remotely deleted copies of 1984, IIRC whose copyright had expired in one country, but not in another.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google One, and Google Workspaces both offer paid support plans that cover Google Drive.

I highly doubt getting locked out of your google drive still allows you to download backups from google backup services...

Which is why I download the Takeout backup monthly.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "Back" button works for me after I've cluck the link ... I wonder what you're seeing that I'm not.

Ahh, I'm on firefox - wonder why its only there? Oh wait, I think that's even worse. This is the case for all google sites, if you use firefox, back button is disabled. Maybe this is to worsen the user experience for Firefox and encourage use of Chrome?

I'm also using Firefox. No addons, running on Ubuntu. I click on the link, read the article, click the "Back" button, and everything works as I expect.

Maybe you have some scripts or addons.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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I will upvote and comment to hopefully gain visibility at the minimum. Google really has an unfortunate customer support set up, in that there isn't one. Your best bet when Google does something bad to their customers like this (And regardless if its a bad AI or bad bot, its still Google doing it), is to post it on twitter or hackernews and hope it gets the visibility for a Google employee to fix it, or contact someo…

To Google, this is not unfortunate, this is planned. They truly do not give a single shit about you. Consume content and shut up is exactly what they want you to do.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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I'm curious if "has locked my account" means just Google Drive, or if he also lost Gmail, Android functionality, Chrome profiles, Adwords, YouTube, YouTubeTV, purchased movies and tv shows, Fitbit, Nest, sites where he used federated login (DoorDash, Uber, etc). I see, for example, his YouTube channel is up, but it's associated with 'team@armouredarchives.com', and not the personal gmail account he posted in the link…

If google really thinks he is a terrorist, which apparently they did, why on earth would they allow him to use gmail or android? It makes sense they would lock him out of everything possible. What we really should be asking is why is google examining user data at all. They should not be in the position where they can even find out who is a terrorist.

> What we really should be asking is why is google examining user data at all.

Without reading into the details, I don't think that google arbitrarily examines all user files on Google Drive (and please correct me if I am wrong, but that's what I remember since the last time this discussion was had).

Google only examines files that were shared with other users or were made accessible to others through a shareable link. Which, sorta makes sense, because that's how a lot of people shared illegal content or streamed videofiles (sort of like a personal youtube). And if you don't share those files with anyone and just keep it as your personal cloud drive, I don't think they examine it.

>why on earth would they allow him to use gmail or android?

Google is essentially your mail service (gmail), video platform (youtube), cloud storage (gdrive), and tons of other completely separate services. In physical world, violation of terms of one of the services leads you to being banned only from that service, unless criminal law gets involved. If the law gets involved, then the law can get you banned from using quite a lot of services. But until the law makes the judgement, being banned from a grocery store cannot automatically and without any recourse get you banned from your bank, your car insurance, your mail service, and many other things.

I guess my point on the latter is that no private business (but law) should be able to prevent a person from using multiple completely unrelated vital services. Here are a few scenarios I thought of that would illustrate how it would work:

* An airline banning you for being an asshole on a flight by adding you to a denylist used by other airlines as well? That's congruent with my idea, because it is all within the same service (airlines), and it won't be done automatically.

*A judge completely blocking you from flying by locking you up for participating in terrorist activities? Sure, because the law did it after an investigation and followed proper legal processes.

*Wells Fargo closing down your account because you were an asshole at Kroger when shopping for groceries and got banned from that store? That would be crazy talk.

The only difference between the google scenario and the kroger+Wells Fargo scenario is that kroger+WF are not a part of the same company. But would it be acceptable for WF to close down your account if WF and Kroger were a part of the same parent company? In my opinion, it wouldn't be ok.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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One of the simplest functions of a justice system - before impartial judgement, before detailed laws, before qualified advocates - is simply the right to summon a powerful person to justify their actions. Increasingly it seems that we will need this to be applied here, ideally in some simpler and less costly way than a full trial. It is just wrong for companies to make money by inviting people to rely on them , and then ghosting if something goes wrong.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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I will upvote and comment to hopefully gain visibility at the minimum. Google really has an unfortunate customer support set up, in that there isn't one. Your best bet when Google does something bad to their customers like this (And regardless if its a bad AI or bad bot, its still Google doing it), is to post it on twitter or hackernews and hope it gets the visibility for a Google employee to fix it, or contact someo…

Actually it is, it's just well hidden, their support is their developers in their spare time and reachability is your social connectivity graph distance to the next googleyesguy.

Ps: you can increase likelihood of solution by adding words that suggest legal liabilities.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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How many times does that have to happen before people realize there is no cloud, only other people's computers. The data that is stored there is no longer yours, just as thanks to Apple and Co. your hardware no longer really belongs to you, but you only enjoy a temporary right of use. It will be interesting to see when hardly anything remains of an entire generation because everything comes from the cloud: Photos, vi…

This is why I've stopped buying books on kindle. It gives Amazon the power to censor your book library, and it would not surprise me at all if we see them exercise that power soon.

They have pulled books before I believe. However there are many good drm free ebooks. I still use a Kindle because I like the device but I keep it in airplane mode nearly all the time and copies of drm free books on my pc. Edit: I manage my library with calibre and the device plugged in. You never have to take it off airplane and it gets better battery life.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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I will upvote and comment to hopefully gain visibility at the minimum. Google really has an unfortunate customer support set up, in that there isn't one. Your best bet when Google does something bad to their customers like this (And regardless if its a bad AI or bad bot, its still Google doing it), is to post it on twitter or hackernews and hope it gets the visibility for a Google employee to fix it, or contact someo…

And to teach other users to stop critically relying on such a capricious service. I have less sympathy when it happens to someone techy, who should know better, but that doesn’t seem to be the case here.

IMO, the real issue is relying on any single storage solution for such critical and hard to replace data. You should always have multiple, redundant, tested backups of such data, the minimum being 3 copies, in 2 different formats, with at least one located offsite.

That said, Google does ha reputation for this shit, especially on their free plans, so, you should definitely keep that in mind when storing data on Google Drive.

https://www.unitrends.com/blog/3-2-1-backup-sucks

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