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Re: London riots / UK riots: verified areas

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I'm a Londoner near some of the affected areas. The sky is not falling, London is not degenerating into lawlessness, and from what I can see from my flat window, police are responding quickly.

Other areas may be different, but London is a very large city - commenters should remember that in discussions.

Re: London riots / UK riots: verified areas

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This kind of comment doesn't belong on HN and I think people should take the time not just to downvote it, but to flag it. Click on "link" and then on "flag"

If you disagree, counter-argue, don't downvote.

I'm deeply in debt and being sued by my creditors. I am deeply in debt because I and my oldest son have a genetic disorder and I figured out how to get us well when the entire world says it cannot be done. Since the entire world frames the problem the way it does, there would be financial support for keeping me and my son ill and lifelong legal drug addicts. There is no financial support for things that actually worked to get us healthy against long odds. It all came out of my pocket. In order to live at all, much less have any hope of getting well, I had to get divorced. As a divorced single mom with a life threatening medical condition, my pockets are not deep. This in spite of being extremely capable and having a long history of academic awards, education to prep me for a good paying job, etc. I ended up in a job paying half what I "should" be making because I was ill and heavily medicated and just didn't interview well and probably couldn't have held down those jobs anyway. "Underemployed" was better while fighting for my life.

I often wish there was some kind of assistance available for me. It feels incredibly unfair (not to mention insane) that charities, state aid, federal aid and so on would willingly spend literally hundreds of thousands of dollars per year on each of us (me and my son both) to keep us limping along in a zombified horrifying state of existence but I can't come up with a measly $50K--$100k (one time expense) to clean up my financial mess and move on and focus on writing software to teach what I have learned to others so that the roughly $3 billion per year that gets spent on medical care for a mere 30k individuals with this condition in the US could be shrunk to a more reasonable amount and their lives improved at the same time. There's a recession on. It would be enlightened self interest for The Haves to empower me to do this. But the odds are good I will keep limping along, just trying to pay my bills, while people like you pass judgement on me in the worst way possible.

If you had your way, I would be put to death and instead of the odds of me sharing my discovery with the world being poor, it would be non-existent.

That's my counter-argument, FWIW.

Re: London riots / UK riots: verified areas

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you disagree, counter-argue, don't downvote.

I not only disagree, I genuinely believe this doesn't not belong here. I have downvoted and flagged because I believe that kind of comment to be inappropriate on HN. Not all poor people are poor because they are somehow incapable, undeserving, or somehow unfit to live. Sometimes people are caught in circumstances beyond their control, and they are unable to get out of it. Not to understand that shows a breathtaking a…

That's a pretty good counterargument.

OK, you've changed my mind, let's not kill the poor.

Re: London riots / UK riots: verified areas

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I'm in my flat in NW2 and I can hear police cars going down the Edgware Road. Fucking terrifying. The police can't keep up, according to the news they're showing up hours late to everything and they don't have any water cannons. Bad times.

Edit: #riotcleanup tomorrow morning all over town: http://twitter.com/#!/search/riotcleanup

Re: London riots / UK riots: verified areas

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I'm a Londoner near some of the affected areas. The sky is not falling, London is not degenerating into lawlessness, and from what I can see from my flat window, police are responding quickly. Other areas may be different, but London is a very large city - commenters should remember that in discussions.

So what was the trigger that started the riots?

Re: London riots / UK riots: verified areas

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post #15

I'm a Londoner near some of the affected areas. The sky is not falling, London is not degenerating into lawlessness, and from what I can see from my flat window, police are responding quickly. Other areas may be different, but London is a very large city - commenters should remember that in discussions.

So what was the trigger that started the riots?

I heard some bloke was shot by the police.

Re: London riots / UK riots: verified areas

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post #15

I'm a Londoner near some of the affected areas. The sky is not falling, London is not degenerating into lawlessness, and from what I can see from my flat window, police are responding quickly. Other areas may be different, but London is a very large city - commenters should remember that in discussions.

So what was the trigger that started the riots?

Originally there was a peaceful protest over the shooting of a young man during a police operation. that seems to have been hijacked by mobs intent purely on violence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14450248

The initial areas are fairly poor and have a history of tension with the police, but the disturbances tonight seem simply to be youths intent on causing damage and looting.

I'm not in London, these are my impressions to give you a quick answer. They may not hold up to future scrutiny.

Also: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14442935

Re: London riots / UK riots: verified areas

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post #15

I'm a Londoner near some of the affected areas. The sky is not falling, London is not degenerating into lawlessness, and from what I can see from my flat window, police are responding quickly. Other areas may be different, but London is a very large city - commenters should remember that in discussions.

So what was the trigger that started the riots?

This is what triggered it off, http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/05/man-shot-police-...

and here's a little background context http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/08/context-...

Re: London riots / UK riots: verified areas

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I'm a Londoner near some of the affected areas. The sky is not falling, London is not degenerating into lawlessness, and from what I can see from my flat window, police are responding quickly. Other areas may be different, but London is a very large city - commenters should remember that in discussions.

That's even scarier. When we had our (ridiculous) riots here in Vancouver a couple months back, it was all in one area. Many will argue that the cops didn't do a great job keeping it under control, but at least they kept everything in a relatively small zone away from residential areas, and it petered out over the night. Doesn't the fact that they're springing up all over London point to there being a systemic problem that is provoking people to more violence? How many days has this been going on now, three? Is there an end in sight?

Re: London riots / UK riots: verified areas

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you disagree, counter-argue, don't downvote.

Somebody's already tried your idea... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics

And with the invocation of Godwin's Law [1] we can now close this part of the discussion.

[1] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Godwin%27s_la...

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