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The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by dotancohen »

mikenew wrote: post #124

Been extremely happy with mine the past couple months. The little modular port attachments seemed like a novelty at first, but now it feels absurd that you'd buy a laptop with a bunch of "hardcoded" ports that you can't ever change. The only real Linux related quirk I've run into so far is that you have to disable panel self refresh (it's on by default and causes stuttering). Other than that tiny thing I pretty much…

  > absurd that you'd buy a laptop with a bunch
  > of "hardcoded" ports that you can't ever change.
This is great for multi-monitor users. Depending where in _my setup_ the other monitors are, I don't want the power and video cables, or docking port cable, to cover part of the external monitor. Being able to move the ports' locations is genius.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by sz4kerto »

renke1 wrote: post #444
lufte wrote: post #291

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What would be the requirement for someone to build a trackpoint for the Framework laptop? Would they need to design a whole new keyboard plus a touchpad with the three buttons?

I don't really know, but since there are no manufacturers that built good TrackPoints I think its either hard or there really is no demand (sadly more likely). I don't need a touchpad though. Actually, one of the best laptops I've owned was one without a touchpad [1]. [1]: https://thinkwiki.de/Datei:TP_X60_2.jpg

My Tex Shinobi keyboard has perfect IBM-like trackpoint.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by BoorishBears »

Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #841
ricardobeat wrote: post #513

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It doesn't look like a no-brainer to me (already a Mac user). The MBP has a better screen, better battery life, performance, has a metal body, is completely silent and has nicer software. That said, you should get the Air instead which is $999 with almost exactly the same specs, minus the annoying touch bar, and a tad lighter at 1.29kg.

Well the MBP is 300$ more, that's 30%,not trivial

I mentioned in another comment, the Macbook Air is the same price, has the similar enough performance for all practical purposes (better than an i5 by miles), no touch bar, and a more user-friendly battery replacement procedure

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by BoorishBears »

kelnos wrote: post #810
thinkingemote wrote: post #504

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Early adopters, hardcore techies may love repairability but they will buy whatever comes out next. What counts is the majority of buyers after these techies. It's similar the early buyers of a Tesla who could say "ahh it will be so eco I don't have to buy another car for 10 years" and, 3 years later they buy themselves the new model as they would have normally do with a combustion engine car. Consumers first. The key…

As a "wealthy techie", I have the opposite view: as much as it's not difficult to me to buy the things I need or want, I hate the amount of waste generated by replacing things before they need to be replaced. I currently have a 2018 Dell XPS13. I really want a Framework laptop, but my current laptop works well enough (I wish it had more RAM and a larger SSD, though, which is a big part of why I want a new one), and i…

> I currently have a 2018 Dell XPS13

So you're not a techie in the sense it's being used.

Techie can mean someone who's an expert on technology, but when it comes to talking about techies as consumers, it's about people who always chase the latest and greatest.

It's tautological, you're not a techie in this context if you don't consume new tech.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by tathisit »

ericls wrote: post #611
yumraj wrote: post #470

Has 13" become the default choice these days? I would love everything the same, but with a 15"-16" screen - if anyone from Framework is reading.

The screen size issue can be mitigated by using a better window manager

No

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by skohan »

ericpauley wrote: post #253
mikenew wrote: post #124

Been extremely happy with mine the past couple months. The little modular port attachments seemed like a novelty at first, but now it feels absurd that you'd buy a laptop with a bunch of "hardcoded" ports that you can't ever change. The only real Linux related quirk I've run into so far is that you have to disable panel self refresh (it's on by default and causes stuttering). Other than that tiny thing I pretty much…

Maybe I need some convincing here. How is the "modular port" concept any different than a universal port with dongles (i.e., how Macs have been since 2016). To me the fact that the port attachments are recessed is little more than a gimmick. Especially as all of my devices have transitioned to USB-C anyway, dongles/"modular ports" feel more like a stopgap measure than one requiring a permanent form factor change.

The thing about dongles is you don't always have it with you. The biggest change I noticed when I got a USB-C based mac is that I couldn't just plug it into every projector through the HDMI, so I had to start planning ahead more. Same with getting photos off of an SSD card

Abstracting the ports makes a ton of sense. I have some hardware laying around - headphones, e-reader - which is perfectly good, but part of me wants to replace it just because it would be much nicer to have USB-C everywhere instead of micro usb. I could see this as something which could significantly extend the lifetime of the hardware by removing those types of compatibility concerns.

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