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Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by kelnos »

kirbyfan64sos wrote: post #805
aljgz wrote: post #787

There is an important value, implied by the repairability, that gets little attention here. When I went to Malaysia, My 7 years old Asus N550 was malfunctioning and I needed to get a new laptop. In my previous company I got a zenbook 13" and loved it, but the ones in Malaysia were only sold with 8GB ram. I've been using 16 for 7 years and there was no way to go back. I wanted 10th gen intel (For the improved integrat…

> Another reason is that the fingerprint reader has no drivers for Fedora, while Dell advertises the laptop as Linux ready. Which XPS is it? I believe most of their fingerprint readers should be supported in recent libfprint versions.

Not the person you are replying to, but I have a XPS 13 9380 (the 2018 model), and the fingerprint sensor is still not supported on Linux. I'm subscribed to the relevant issue on the libfprint bug tracker, so if there was news, I'd hear about it.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by kelnos »

Aaronn wrote: post #663
philote wrote: post #46

The author spent some time explaining the need to have a reliable laptop and spending $150 for 24-hour service and having two Powerbooks at once. But there was no mention of anything about reliability and repairs (well, replacement parts) for the Framework. I'm curious if he plans to keep a second Framework laptop in case parts are sold out, take too long to ship, etc.

He might have to. As far as I can tell they haven’t even started selling individual parts yet. They all just say “Coming soon” on the website. I’m not sure what they are waiting for.

My guess is that they are using up all their manufacturing capacity to sell new full laptops (and DIY kits). Their current manufacturing setup seems to be that they periodically batch a bunch of what are essentially pre-orders and then get things manufactured after the fact.

Once they're more established and have money in the bank (hopefully that happens), they can think about ramping up manufacturing and actually keeping inventory before it's been spoken for.

Until then, at least the commodity parts (RAM, storage, WiFi card) can be replaced with off-the-shelf parts bought from NewEgg or wherever.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by inside_out_life »

flatiron wrote: post #435
jklinger410 wrote: post #325

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>but i always see people complain about AMD's linux support No, you don't. You see people complaining about NVIDIA's linux support.

Oh I’m glad I don’t. You know what I dreamt it all up. Thanks for clearing that up. But honestly just subscribing to the Linux subreddit I see tons of amd gpu issues and never hear a peep out of Intel. But yes nvidia does win the prize for worst.

I've been runnning linux with AMD cpu/gpu for years, they tend to be late with initial stuff but other than that it's been a smooth sailing. That being said, it will differ from distro to distro, as some are unreadably slow with driver/firmware updates.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by kelnos »

brightball wrote: post #166

> I really miss my Thinkpad Trackpoint This is one of those comments I will never understand. Every single time I have tried to use one of those things the only thought that goes through my mind is, "This is the dumbest mouse interface I have ever seen. Why would anyone ever use this thing?" And then I see comments like this. I don't get it. The ergonomics of those little nubs are awful .

I used Thinkpads many many years ago and liked (but did not love) the trackpoint. One thing it can be really good at is small, precision movements. Once I got to try a laptop with a decent touchpad, anyway, I saw no reason to go back.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by inside_out_life »

samtheDamned wrote: post #122
flatiron wrote: post #57

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ive seen a lot of requests for an AMD version but i always see people complain about AMD's linux support. Do you plan on running windows? If you are planning on Linux is the support really as bad as people complain. I say that because intel's linux support seems to me as top notch. ive never really had driver issues that i can think of

> i always see people complain about AMD's linux support I've always heard the opposite, that AMD's linux support is amazing and that it's windows drivers are lacking. Especially in the GPU department where it struggles with minecraft.

This is true, AMD's GPU Linux drivers are open source and in superb shape nowadays (with the exception of freshly released stuff as there's always lag)

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by bjoli »

herpderperator wrote: post #525
NotPractical wrote: post #492

The baseline, preassembled model starts at $1000. Windows 10 Home, quad-core i5, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB storage, a nice 2256x1504 display, thin and light (1.3kg, 11.7" x 9" x 0.6"). Compare that to your other thin and light options at this pricepoint. XPS 13, $1020 * i5 * 8 GB RAM * 256 GB storage * 1920 x 1200 display * 1.2 kg, 11.6" x 7.8" x 0.6" MacBook Pro: $1300 * M1 * 8 GB RAM * 256 GB storage * 2560 x 1600 display *…

The single-thread performance of the M1 doesn't get close to the competition at its power level, even a year after its release. [0] The top item in the list is the M1, a 10W CPU. The second is an Intel requiring 125W. The highest-scoring i5 also requires 125W, and is 15th in the list. Just a reminder that the M1 MacBook Air has no fan, and is still at the top. When choosing a laptop you of course look are more factor…

I have thought a little about this: It is not _that_ much better than the last gen ryzens. How much of that is because apple bought more or less all of TSMCs 5nm process?

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by kelnos »

OJFord wrote: post #302
burundi_coffee wrote: post #227

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The CPU is not socketed/replacable because intel simply does not sell socketed laptop CPUs. If there was a socketed alternative, I'm sure it would be in the framework.

What is the distinction between 'laptop CPU' and 'desktop CPU' if not BGA (or whatever it is) vs. socketed packaging though, really? Power consumption? Wouldn't it be nice if there just 'CPUs', and you could pick whatever was appropriate for your desktop or laptop. Sure some would maybe only make sense in one package, but there must be some considerable overlap. I use my desktop for work because it has upgradeable RA…

Yes, power consumption, and, relatedly, heat dissipation. You'd probably get unusable battery life in a laptop with a desktop CPU, and need a lot of fans to cool it.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by burundi_coffee »

OJFord wrote: post #302
burundi_coffee wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CPU is not socketed/replacable because intel simply does not sell socketed laptop CPUs. If there was a socketed alternative, I'm sure it would be in the framework.

What is the distinction between 'laptop CPU' and 'desktop CPU' if not BGA (or whatever it is) vs. socketed packaging though, really? Power consumption? Wouldn't it be nice if there just 'CPUs', and you could pick whatever was appropriate for your desktop or laptop. Sure some would maybe only make sense in one package, but there must be some considerable overlap. I use my desktop for work because it has upgradeable RA…

Yes, it's mostly power consumption and efficiency, with the puny heatsinks found in most laptops, you can't cool significant amounts of power without throttling. Having the CPU on the motherboard also allows for a thinner assembly. I don't think having a socketed CPU just for the sake of it would have been a good choice here.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by kelnos »

nightowl_games wrote: post #670

I can't help but feel as though the people who agree with Apple's (and many copy cats) insistence on USB-C only and refusal to put a single USB A or HDMI port in the computer are simply out of touch. The only people I know who like it always cite the same thing: "docking stations". But if you had a laptop with 1 USB-C you could still use your docking station, but the _vast_ majority of users wouldn't have the struggl…

I guess I just don't use my laptop the way you do. I have 3 USB-C ports (and a micro SD slot), and that's it. Right now I have a power cable plugged into one, and my USB-C Yubikey plugged into another. I'll very occasionally use a USB network interface, but it's USB-C. I've replaced any micro-USB to USB-A cables that I still need with micro-to-C cables (I even have a mini-to-C cable for a serial converter breakout board). I don't consider this replacement much of a waste, as I've mostly just replaced them when the cables wear out or break.

I do have a USB-A wired mouse, but I only use that when I'm first-person gaming (not often, maybe 3-4 times a month). But for that I just have the A-to-C adapter permanently attached to the mouse, so it's not like I need to go find an adapter when I want to plug the mouse in.

Only other thing is HDMI, but I keep one of those white Apple dongles I got with a work laptop in the drawer under my TV (I probably pull it out once every 6 months or so). I don't use an external monitor for the most part, but for that I have another dongle permanently attached to the cable plugged into the monitor, so, again, that's not an inconvenience.

When I'm traveling, it's really nice that I only have to bring a single charger that charges both my laptop and phone. I'll usually also bring a Chromecast with me so I don't have to deal with cables at all if I want to watch something on a hotel/Airbnb TV. But that's pretty much all I need.

I don't think I'm "out of touch", though I certainly allow for the truth that other people have different needs than I do.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by crubier »

NovemberWhiskey wrote: post #643
DiabloD3 wrote: post #608

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Actually, that's the issue with my MBPR from 2012: it has a 2560x1600 screen, as in, highly non-standard. It is neither 1920 wide, nor is it 16:9. If I had the option to have purchased it with 1920x1080, I would have.

16:10 isn't what I'd call "highly non-standard". What kind of work do you use your laptop for that makes this such a big issue?

Also it’s perfect to edit 16:9 video with toolbars
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