Memory fail. No ECC, uses DDR4 instead of LPDDR4x (which has a 1-bit ECC and superior bandwidth) which the Tiger Lake CPUs would support.
agree i want real ecc ram
The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used
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#732Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe I need some convincing here. How is the "modular port" concept any different than a universal port with dongles (i.e., how Macs have been since 2016). To me the fact that the port attachments are recessed is little more than a gimmick. Especially as all of my devices have transitioned to USB-C anyway, dongles/"modular ports" feel more like a stopgap measure than one requiring a permanent form factor change.
Yeah - I think Apple's approach is the right tradeoff, though I admit I think it's cool from a nerd that likes gadgets perspective. If there's enough of a market for that that they can survive that's cool, but I think there's a reason it's not the default design (that isn't some cynical one about planned obsolescence).
Too bad reality disagrees. It's entirely about planned obsolescence because Apple knows the rubes will buy anything they are told.
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#733Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's probably what I was taught, but in practice why? What's my left hand going to do with all its hundreds of milliseconds of free time while my right types a capital letter?
For me it's more a matter of putting as little stress on my hands as possible. Pressing two buttons (shift and key) with one hand is just a little less comfortable than pressing just one key.
Be careful or you’ll start people on eMacs vs. vim.
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#734Too bad they don’t offer larger size. My wrists hurt big time typing on small laptops.
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#735Earlier quoted context omitted.
The modular ports are my least favorite part as well. The fact that you have to buy one USB type c module just to be able to easily plug in your charger is crazy. Another just to have reachable USB port. Maybe 1 or 2 modular spots would be nice, but put in some standard type c ports and monitor connectors without having to pay an upcharge or include at least 2 type c modules free.
Is the "upcharge" actually significant for the USB C ports? It is like an extra $20 on a $1k computer.
It has 4 type C ports, that's what the modules plug into. So the type C port module is basically a one inch extension cable. They do recommend you buy 4 so it's $80 and not $20. Having ANY upcharge to be able to have an expectedly reachable port to plug your laptop's power supply into seems like a design flaw.
Unless they've done research that shows the type C port on the main board is a common point of failure and needs soldering to fix I don't see the point. I've had to clean lint out of ports but I've never broken a type C port on a computer.
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#736This looks really cool, but the author... is... replacing their laptop every year ? Like, I'm writing this on an 8 year old MBP that has survived as my round-the-house driver because it still does everything well. My daily driver is getting on a bit now (3yr) and my desktop only just got replaced after 5 years. Forget the cost, but the waste!
Back when I was making crap wages, I would get the cheapest laptops I could afford that would more or less give me decent performance (on the order of ~$500-600). It's not too hard to find a new laptop that performs well at a reasonable price, but you always run the risk of them reclaiming those costs by cheaping out on all the mechanics of it, and it's not like I was able to afford paying ~$2000 for a high-quality m…
Instead of buying a brand-new potato, consider buying a used or refurb'd laptop. Your performance stance doing this is much better now compared to.... any time else in PC history because PC hardware performance gains have flattened out. Plus, corporations get rid of perfectly good PCs like, every year because they want the latest model for their staff and especially their executives/management. Know where to shop and you'll find a glut of cheap and even free computers. I've been poor myself; used machines is how I got by. That and building my own.
Either way, you'll pay about as much for a used ThinkPad in good condition with good specs as you would for a new HP Stream or other cheaptop.
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#737It feels like for years we were constantly told by these corporations "it's impossible to have slim, tiny laptops and make them customizable", and I guess at some level I believed that, and just accepted that laptops with upgradable components were a thing of the past. After seeing the framework, I'm more than a little annoyed that I fell for this. They proved you can have a slim, clean laptop that's somewhat modular…
HP is a notable exception to this trend, they still make multiple ranges of slim, customizable laptops (at least non-touchscreen models). I oversee IT for an org of ~150 people and have swapped out RAM and M.2 SSDs on multiple recent HP ProBooks, EliteBooks, and a ZBook in the last few weeks with just a Phillips screwdriver and a spudger.
Nothing epoxied shut or soldered in place, and the metal cases on recent generations of these HP models are sturdier than the older plastic. Our lead tech has replaced HP laptop batteries, keyboards and displays when needed with no issues. HP is also one of the few brands with backlit keyboards standard on most laptops, even down to the lower-end models I've encountered since 2018.
But the Frameworks sure look intriguing!
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#738Anyone running Fedora 34 on Framework who would be willing to share their experience?
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#739I wish that I needed a laptop so that I could buy one. I sincerely hope this company succeeds so that they are around when I do need a laptop. > Yesterday, I put my 2019 Thinkpad on my pile of "laptops to refurbish and donate." I've bought a new Thinkpad almost every year since 2006. I think that's over. wat
> I sincerely hope this company succeeds so that they are around when I do need a laptop. I sincerely hope they're around long enough to make a 15" version. My old eyes can't do 13" any more, unfortunately.
Yep, this is where I'm at too. 13" is just not enough space for me to get anything done productively. On my 13" MBP with my standard font size, my code editor can't show a full line of code without me having to scroll (VSCode with mostly default settings, font size 12).
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#740Been extremely happy with mine the past couple months. The little modular port attachments seemed like a novelty at first, but now it feels absurd that you'd buy a laptop with a bunch of "hardcoded" ports that you can't ever change. The only real Linux related quirk I've run into so far is that you have to disable panel self refresh (it's on by default and causes stuttering). Other than that tiny thing I pretty much…
Maybe I need some convincing here. How is the "modular port" concept any different than a universal port with dongles (i.e., how Macs have been since 2016). To me the fact that the port attachments are recessed is little more than a gimmick. Especially as all of my devices have transitioned to USB-C anyway, dongles/"modular ports" feel more like a stopgap measure than one requiring a permanent form factor change.
I assume if all your devices are usb c you realistically have no horse in this game - and that's great.
For those who have different needs than vendor provides - permanent or temporary - recessed or not, or in other words part of computer or something I need to carry/lose/forget/misplace can be a huge huge difference.