Has 13" become the default choice these days? I would love everything the same, but with a 15"-16" screen - if anyone from Framework is reading.
The screen size issue can be mitigated by using a better window manager
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#612Annoys the crap out of me that Apple tries to claim how "environmentally friendly" they are and yet the biggest problem is they make all their computers be disposable and extremely difficult to repair. They've gone out of their way to do this by soldering in memory and SSD, gluing batteries in, etc. Shame on them.
Putting upgradeability aside, Macs typically have longer usable lifespans as evinced by their relatively high resale value. Anecdotally, it's common to find 5-7 year old MacBooks being used by their original owners (I'm typing on one right now), and Apple will offer around ⅓ of the original value on a 5 year old machine as a no hassle trade-in because their refurb partners are able to sell them (you can usually get m…
The design of the MacBook Pro changed in 2016, and it became less repairable and easier to break (see: issues with butterfly keyboards). It would be difficult to convince me to buy a used old 2016+ MacBook Pro.
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#613Ooh. They've definately got a sale if an ortholinear keyboard variant with thumbkeys is an option.
I wonder if they'll do ARM variants?
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#614From the mission: "products that give you back the power to customize" and shipped w/Windows pre-installed.
You can order the "DIY Edition" without an OS pre-installed, as well as a lot of other customization.
https://frame.work/products/laptop-diy-edition/configuration...
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#615yea Linus already said it
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#616The baseline, preassembled model starts at $1000. Windows 10 Home, quad-core i5, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB storage, a nice 2256x1504 display, thin and light (1.3kg, 11.7" x 9" x 0.6"). Compare that to your other thin and light options at this pricepoint. XPS 13, $1020 * i5 * 8 GB RAM * 256 GB storage * 1920 x 1200 display * 1.2 kg, 11.6" x 7.8" x 0.6" MacBook Pro: $1300 * M1 * 8 GB RAM * 256 GB storage * 2560 x 1600 display *…
Early adopters, hardcore techies may love repairability but they will buy whatever comes out next. What counts is the majority of buyers after these techies. It's similar the early buyers of a Tesla who could say "ahh it will be so eco I don't have to buy another car for 10 years" and, 3 years later they buy themselves the new model as they would have normally do with a combustion engine car. Consumers first. The key…
> It's the majority and long tail, not the early adopters that this laptop should be for!
Why?
This is the way we end up having only mass-market, lowest-common-denominator products. Not fighting to get quality tooling for our niche is one of the important reasons we don't get any.
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#617The baseline, preassembled model starts at $1000. Windows 10 Home, quad-core i5, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB storage, a nice 2256x1504 display, thin and light (1.3kg, 11.7" x 9" x 0.6"). Compare that to your other thin and light options at this pricepoint. XPS 13, $1020 * i5 * 8 GB RAM * 256 GB storage * 1920 x 1200 display * 1.2 kg, 11.6" x 7.8" x 0.6" MacBook Pro: $1300 * M1 * 8 GB RAM * 256 GB storage * 2560 x 1600 display *…
The single-thread performance of the M1 doesn't get close to the competition at its power level, even a year after its release. [0] The top item in the list is the M1, a 10W CPU. The second is an Intel requiring 125W. The highest-scoring i5 also requires 125W, and is 15th in the list. Just a reminder that the M1 MacBook Air has no fan, and is still at the top. When choosing a laptop you of course look are more factor…
M1 does beat every other laptop processor atm in single core speed, but the latest Ryzen 5X00U (and 4800U) are better in multithreaded perf (both absolute and per watt) - https://www.cpubenchmark.net/power_performance.html. Hopefully the Framework Laptop offers mainboard upgrades with these at some point.
I very nearly bought an M1 Macbook, but realized I didn't want to live with currently early stage linux compatibility. I'm still thinking of buying an M1 mac mini as a little home server though - that tiny power consumption combined with such good CPU performance is perfect for that use case (although it would be nice if I could somehow attach a bunch of hot swap HDD bays to a mac mini too).
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#618How does the keyboard compare to older Lenovos, specifically the x220?
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#619I would like to purchase an i5 with 16GB RAM and 1TB storage, am I missing something?
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#620Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ehn.. I used to be like you. Once I used Pixelbook, a superthin fanless device, I was in awe. Pixelbook Go was similar fanless device as well. But, then I realized that they have their limitations. With a fan, one can achieve much better performance when needed. So, now, I prefer a laptop that can passively cool for normal day to day work, and then for heavy workloads take advantage of the fan. I got the framework la…
Yeah I guess I don't have a ton of experience here outside of mac laptops, but the idea of a PC laptop that only kicks in the fans when truly intensive tasks are being run sounds pretty nice. My experience has mostly been that when any work is being done, the fans spin up. It's jarring when you're trying to focus on the problem at hand.
You need to find your fan rpm/noise threshold. On my laptop the fan becomes noticeable above 2500rpm. Someone commented about adjusting the fan curve (I have no idea how), I just manually capped the CPU performance with a powersave profile instead.