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The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by NotPractical »

FredFS456 wrote: post #176
leetcrew wrote: post #168

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I'm impressed that they have managed to take this product to market, and I'm glad that people who value modularity will finally have a viable option. at the same time, I personally don't see what all the fuss is about. you can upgrade both DIMMs, which is cool, but not exactly unheard of these days (I guess it's getting there in an ultraportable?). you're still stuck with DDR4, which is almost EOL, and the max capaci…

Newer laptops are starting to come with soldered SSDs. Macbooks have had non-standard or soldered SSDs for the past 5+ years. Framework is also proactively making documentation, schematics, etc etc available for repair shops.

MacBooks also have glued in batteries.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by fartcannon »

NotPractical wrote: post #202
cogman10 wrote: post #37

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We've been told for years that "slim and tiny is what you really want!" No, I don't want slim and tiny, I want to be able to replace and upgrade parts. I want a battery I can swap out or RAM I can replace. The problem is that being able to swap parts extends service life of machines. Can't have that when they want you to just buy a new one ever 3 years.

As a student, I do want my laptop to be slim and tiny, but I was misled by Apple into thinking slim and tiny is only possible if the laptop isn't at all repairable. Might sell my MacBook Pro for this thing. Though macOS is a guilty pleasure I will miss :( Edit: Also the 16:10 aspect ratio :(

You won't miss it after a few months in Linux's diverse desktop experience ecosystem.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by NullPrefix »

rozap wrote: post #326
xvector wrote: post #133

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The Framework has half the battery life of similarly sized alternatives. No one was lying to you.

As battery tech gets better, you can replace it. And the glued-in battery in the macbook pro won't be 100% capacity after a bunch of charge/discharges. It's a compromise in the short term maybe, but long term it's so much nicer.

>battery in the macbook pro won't be 100% capacity after a bunch of charge/discharges

You're supposed to replace the macbook by then.

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Post by yupper32 »

destitude wrote: post #250
yupper32 wrote: post #217

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It sounds like a MacBook with extra steps. Why not just get a MacBook? What customization do you really need?

Because MacBooks can't be easily fixed by end-users or upgradeable.

How often does that actually need to happen these days?

It feels like a solution looking for a problem.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by mikenew »

ericpauley wrote: post #253
mikenew wrote: post #124

Been extremely happy with mine the past couple months. The little modular port attachments seemed like a novelty at first, but now it feels absurd that you'd buy a laptop with a bunch of "hardcoded" ports that you can't ever change. The only real Linux related quirk I've run into so far is that you have to disable panel self refresh (it's on by default and causes stuttering). Other than that tiny thing I pretty much…

Maybe I need some convincing here. How is the "modular port" concept any different than a universal port with dongles (i.e., how Macs have been since 2016). To me the fact that the port attachments are recessed is little more than a gimmick. Especially as all of my devices have transitioned to USB-C anyway, dongles/"modular ports" feel more like a stopgap measure than one requiring a permanent form factor change.

I wouldn't think of them as recessed dongles. After installing them I haven't changed them out at all so far. It's more that you can configure things how you want. If you wanted 4 usb-c ports and that's all; just do that.

I would love it if all my devices had transition to usb-c, but they haven't. I still occasionally need usb-a and sometimes I need an hdmi out. So... that's what I have. And if I stop needing usb-a I'll get rid of it and put in another usb-c. You could even do a single usb-c port and then 3 storage attachments if you wanted. Nobody is ever going to sell a laptop like that, but for someone who really needs storage and doesn't care about connectivity that might be perfect.

If you're okay with dongles then you're probably fine. I'm not. They clutter up the workspace, occupy permanent space in my bag which is annoying, and often enough aren't around when I actually need them.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by bo1024 »

ericpauley wrote: post #253
mikenew wrote: post #124

Been extremely happy with mine the past couple months. The little modular port attachments seemed like a novelty at first, but now it feels absurd that you'd buy a laptop with a bunch of "hardcoded" ports that you can't ever change. The only real Linux related quirk I've run into so far is that you have to disable panel self refresh (it's on by default and causes stuttering). Other than that tiny thing I pretty much…

Maybe I need some convincing here. How is the "modular port" concept any different than a universal port with dongles (i.e., how Macs have been since 2016). To me the fact that the port attachments are recessed is little more than a gimmick. Especially as all of my devices have transitioned to USB-C anyway, dongles/"modular ports" feel more like a stopgap measure than one requiring a permanent form factor change.

My devices aren't USB-C (e.g. headset, tablet) and I use HDMI cables a lot. So it's great for me. Turns out thanks to the modular port design it's also great for you!

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Post by alksjdalkj »

gogopuppygogo wrote: post #255
slabity wrote: post #187

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Another quote from Linus that's relevant: "Imagine being an engineer at a company at Apple, and it being your job to design the mechanism that makes it so that machine cannot start up unless the chassis is fully sealed. Apple spent actual fucking money making sure that product would not work unless it is in the exact chassis they shipped it in." That goes beyond not caring.

There are legit security reasons you’d want this. Giving the owner of the equipment the ability to manage this would have been the appropriate solution.

Yeah isn't chassis intrusion detection fairly common? I feel like it's been an option to enable in most BIOSs I've seen.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

tombert wrote: post #77
tshaddox wrote: post #54

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Do you actually have any example of a corporation that makes laptops saying that it’s impossible to have slim laptops that are customizable? I would be very surprised if this ever happened, but I’m willing to be proven wrong.

You know, I can't think of a concrete example of that, when pressed, so it is possible this was just something repeated to me by coworkers and friends doing Apple apologia, and I just treated it as a truth. A quick Google doesn't appear to show Apple or any other corporation saying it, so I'll take the L on it. I think my overall point still stands. I still find it irritating that, until very recently, the only way t…

Your experience matches my own. I haven't heard it from a company but there are definitely Apple zealots/shills who would say that in threads about right to repair.
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