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The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by aseipp »

avgDev wrote: post #171
afterburner wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or he could just save the money. But I guess he has to constantly reward himself for quitting? Man addiction sure is a pain.

Sounds like giving up one addiction for another. But I guess buying laptops yearly is better for your health than smoking.

The labor and physical footprint needed to produce modern electronics is completely insane. You're comparing little league basketball to major league baseball, and it's not like a player like Framework is going to change this at all.

There is a severe ecological impact to the wider environment that comes from electronics, let's not kid ourselves. That doesn't mean buying electronics makes you like, a terrible person, but if you're sitting around prostheyzing on blogs like Doctorow about how these companies are killing you, it's a bit funny to essentially go from a thing that kills people you know in the first world to one that only kills people in the third world you never cared for. Modern comforts like cutting edge electronics have extreme externalities. Like, okay, let me just throw the "murders people I care about" problem over the fence, where it will surely not be an issue for all those people halfway across the planet from me (that I coincidentally do not care or think about.)

In general I'm not trying to be too hard. It's not like anyone else deals with this level of cognitive dissonance much better, and I say that as someone who mostly quit cold turkey over a year ago...

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Post by bigpeopleareold »

brightball wrote: post #166

> I really miss my Thinkpad Trackpoint This is one of those comments I will never understand. Every single time I have tried to use one of those things the only thought that goes through my mind is, "This is the dumbest mouse interface I have ever seen. Why would anyone ever use this thing?" And then I see comments like this. I don't get it. The ergonomics of those little nubs are awful .

I use both, but for different reasons.

For touch typing (like I am doing for this comment), using it is much easier than moving the hands off the keyboard to get to the trackpad. I had to get used to it, but when I did, it's hard to not think of it there.

When I am doing casual reading or I am doing more hurried work, I tend to use the trackpad more. It's feels more suitable for me as a mouse interface when the focus is not typing primarily but more about finding things.

I learned to use a TrackPoint with some motivation that I would be using it a lot. I have instead found a comfortable middle point with using both of them.

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Post by jhickok »

CivBase wrote: post #201
xvector wrote: post #133

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The Framework has half the battery life of similarly sized alternatives. No one was lying to you.

Can I get a citation for that? The only laptop for which that seems to be true is the MacBook, but no x86 laptop will come close to that. From what I've seen the Framework has a mostly uninteresting battery life, outperforming some likely competitors (like Dell's XPS 13 and MS's Surface Laptop) and outperformed by others (like HP's ProBook x360 and ASUS's Zenbook 13).

Here it states that it has a worse performing battery than the XPS: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/frameworks-new-light...

Under the final section:

>>The ugly

    Only 61 percent the battery life of a similarly configured XPS 13

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

FredFS456 wrote: post #176
leetcrew wrote: post #168

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I'm impressed that they have managed to take this product to market, and I'm glad that people who value modularity will finally have a viable option. at the same time, I personally don't see what all the fuss is about. you can upgrade both DIMMs, which is cool, but not exactly unheard of these days (I guess it's getting there in an ultraportable?). you're still stuck with DDR4, which is almost EOL, and the max capaci…

Newer laptops are starting to come with soldered SSDs. Macbooks have had non-standard or soldered SSDs for the past 5+ years. Framework is also proactively making documentation, schematics, etc etc available for repair shops.

>Newer laptops are starting to come with soldered SSDs

Which newer laptops? Other than Macs and crappy $199 Walmart grade tablet-chromebook thingamajigs, I don't know any mainstream PC laptop that does that (thankfully).

Even super light and super slim laptops still have replaceable storage. Even niche Pocket Computers like the GPD and Valve Steam Deck still have replaceable SSDs.

So I don't buy your statement.

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Post by etbusch »

ericpauley wrote: post #253
mikenew wrote: post #124

Been extremely happy with mine the past couple months. The little modular port attachments seemed like a novelty at first, but now it feels absurd that you'd buy a laptop with a bunch of "hardcoded" ports that you can't ever change. The only real Linux related quirk I've run into so far is that you have to disable panel self refresh (it's on by default and causes stuttering). Other than that tiny thing I pretty much…

Maybe I need some convincing here. How is the "modular port" concept any different than a universal port with dongles (i.e., how Macs have been since 2016). To me the fact that the port attachments are recessed is little more than a gimmick. Especially as all of my devices have transitioned to USB-C anyway, dongles/"modular ports" feel more like a stopgap measure than one requiring a permanent form factor change.

Two things:

They are replaceable when the external ports (USB-C or otherwise) wear out without the need for soldering or internal board replacement.

The design of the modules is open source, meaning that anyone can design a module that fits their needs.

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Post by caeril »

epistasis wrote: post #39
topspin wrote: post #33

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Linus (the "tech tips" one) said something that sticks in my mind: "The only reason other companies can't do this - and Framework proved it - is because they don't care."

Well, the other reason is that customers don't care either. I certainly don't. The last desktop build I made 5 years ago hasn't had a single component changed in that entire time.

> I certainly don't.

Reminder that Apple isn't the problem. Their customers are. I know movie quotes are seriously lowbrow for this audience, but somewhat relevant here, and correct:

"That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy."

Not to Godwin the thread, but this absurd apologia for anti-freedom products from the standpoint of convenience and apathy reminds me of the old quip about Hitler making the trains run on time.

I hope a decade from now you love the soul-crushing Snow Crash-esque dystopia your choices will have created, because you will have absolutely no moral authority to complain about it.

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Post by joombaga »

devmor wrote: post #207

I got one of the first waves, it's awesome. My only complaint so far is getting the fingerprint sensor to function properly in Linux - but that may be more of an issue with fprintd/libfprint than anything. I'm dual booting Win10 and Debian, and absolutely no issues under Windows so far either. The battery life is great, the screen is extremely crisp and bright, and the keyboard actually feels decent to type on.

The fingerprint reader does work in Linux after compiling newer versions of fprintd and libfprint. I'm using it in GDM and for sudo.

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Post by simon_weber »

n8ta wrote: post #306

First exciting laptop I've seen in a very long time! Would love to see ethernet (if it's even possible with this thinness) and a regular SD port.

An ethernet card is in the works: https://twitter.com/frameworkputer/status/139594629558862233.... It looks like full-sized SD was popular in that poll too.
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