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Why are you growing unhappy? (I have a X1 Extreme Gen 1, and Legion 7, and Legion 5 Pro, so I'm curious)
Soldered Ram.
Oh so dependent on the actual model not ThinkPads themselves.
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I'm impressed that they have managed to take this product to market, and I'm glad that people who value modularity will finally have a viable option. at the same time, I personally don't see what all the fuss is about. you can upgrade both DIMMs, which is cool, but not exactly unheard of these days (I guess it's getting there in an ultraportable?). you're still stuck with DDR4, which is almost EOL, and the max capaci…
> you're locked [sic] into whatever CPU/chipset was current when you bought the laptop. Which you can replace/upgrade too.
we'll have to wait and see whether this actually happens, but if so, that would certainly invalidate my biggest criticism. if they could pull it off on a 14"-15.6" chassis with a discrete gpu, they would probably get my money.
also, pretty sure that is correct english, why the [sic]?
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#224I don't understand the paragraph about the dock. Both laptops use usb-c, there shouldn't be a reason the 60$ dock doesn't work.
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Well, the other reason is that customers don't care either. I certainly don't. The last desktop build I made 5 years ago hasn't had a single component changed in that entire time.
It's not just about upgrading components, but also about having more choice during initial specification. It's a real PITA trying to find laptops that have almost everything you want, and inevitably you need to make multiple compromises. And it's also about replacing broken components without having to ditch the whole laptop. I'm really excited about how Framework could potentially shake up the whole industry!
I like the Framework laptops as well, but I think there's a problem I'm not sure is gonna work out in the end.
If I understood it correctly, you can buy replacement parts only from Framework. They will have supply issues, and customers will be unhappy.
I guess if the laptops don't ever break, or if the customers' need for replacement parts is more theoretical than real, it could work out. Or they somehow manage to get over the small, niche manufacturer hump and become a Lenovo with massive scale. I doubt that's gonna happen.
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As the other comments have noted, Cory addresses this further down in the linked post. He further expanded on this in the post he wrote when he quit smoking[0]: > That was my homework: go away and think of an immediate reason not to smoke. When I came back, I had my answer ready: “I spend two laptops per year on smokes. That money goes directly to the dirtiest companies on Earth, the literal inventors of the science-…
Or he could just save the money. But I guess he has to constantly reward himself for quitting? Man addiction sure is a pain.
People justify buying things they don't technically need in many different ways.
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#227>That tool – a small screwdriver – is also sufficient to upgrade the CPU CPU isn't up-gradable without switching out the entire mainboard, which I'm fine with, once I get an AMD version that is :)
The CPU is not socketed/replacable because intel simply does not sell socketed laptop CPUs. If there was a socketed alternative, I'm sure it would be in the framework.
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>> replacing their laptop every year? Not really that uncommon especially with a MacBook Pro where a new one is released...every year. How much sense it makes, that's another story.
Ignoring the (potentially substantial) environmental costs, if you do it "correctly" the total cost of ownership is about the same. If you buy a $2000 Mac and use it for as long as reasonably, it's going to depreciate by several hundred dollars (let's say, roughly $300) a year. At a certain point it's worth nearly zero, and you must buy a new laptop. After 6-7 years your total outlay is $2000. Alternatively, every ye…
The downtime of setting up a new laptop, migrating data, etc is going to be worth several hundred dollars to many people
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I've never met someone before that cares about cpu fan noise. Genuinely. It never bothers me so I have never thought about it. Perhaps also because my workflow involves playing music when I work to make me more productive.
They likely used apple for a long time before this, and they had a ton of fan noise. So likely wasn't an issue previously.
Getting a noise less and fast laptop is a good improvement. It's like going from a fossil car to an electric one. So much less noise and vibrations. The noise is acceptable but it's annoying to go back.
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Linus (the "tech tips" one) said something that sticks in my mind: "The only reason other companies can't do this - and Framework proved it - is because they don't care."
Another quote from Linus that's relevant: "Imagine being an engineer at a company at Apple, and it being your job to design the mechanism that makes it so that machine cannot start up unless the chassis is fully sealed. Apple spent actual fucking money making sure that product would not work unless it is in the exact chassis they shipped it in." That goes beyond not caring.
Where is that quote from? I wasn't able to find it via Google. Anyway, a computer that refuses to turn on after been tampered with does have its uses, particularly if your threat model is government secret services.