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Re: iOS 15

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Post by danudey »

foepys wrote: post #117
signal11 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Meanwhile, my flagship android phone from 2018, the Samsung Galaxy S9, is stuck on the last version of Android. That's inexcusable, and this attitude carried over to security updates is a big reason some corporates left Samsung and went to Apple -- e.g. the A5, a midrange phone comparable with the iPhone SE, lost access to updates when the device was perfectly usable. Samsung must've felt the feedback, because this…

Quarterly and biannual are still a joke. It's not like Google is keeping all patches and releases them at once without notifying vendors. Nokia was a little known a few years ago for releasing security patches before Google did for their Pixel models. Sadly, this has changed.

Now the million dollar question: did they change because they stopped caring, or did they change because Google made them?

Re: iOS 15

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Post by KennyBlanken »

GeekyBear wrote: post #166
KennyBlanken wrote: post #100

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Run an on-device scan against a hash database. Using a technology shown to have very frequent collisions. And then they notify law enforcement if they get a hit. Which means even if you're innocent - all your devices get confiscated for months, you probably rack up tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees, maybe lose your job, probably lose your friends and get the boot from any social organizations or groups. They…

> Run an on-device scan against a hash database. Using a technology shown to have very frequent collisions. Google and Microsoft have been scanning everything in your account against a hash database for the past decade. Also, unlike Apple's system which doesn't even notify Apple of the first 30 positive results (to protect you from the inevitable false positives) Google and Microsoft offer users no such protection. >…

Scanning content on a gmail account is not even remotely anything like scanning my device.

Re: iOS 15

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Post by dmitshur »

Qi_ wrote: post #16

Can anyone speak for iPhone 6S performance with 15? I'm on 14 currently and it runs quite smoothly. I assume it would be similar on 15.

I’m using a 6s Plus temporarily for a few days, and only installed iOS 15 less than an hour ago. So far subjectively speaking it seems about the same as iOS 14.8 was.

Re: iOS 15

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Post by robot_erotic »

bound008 wrote: post #60
jkelleyrtp wrote: post #7

Apple Maps is so close to being a fantastic app, but is sorely missing “search along route” that Google has. Right now, you can press the “coffee” or “gas” button but there’s no way to say, search for a CVS on the way back home from work. I really wish Apple added this instead of just suggesting searches that might be useful.

Just an FYI, you can definitely do this when using CarPlay and Apple Maps. There is a set list of categories you can search while currently navigating. I wish you could make an arbitrary on route search, but you can't.

Adding onto this. You can actually ask Siri specifically the added stop and append "along the way", so something like, "Starbuck on the way". It has always found my requests on the route I was already on as well as the added time it will take away from me.

Re: iOS 15

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Post by sneak »

philwelch wrote: post #118
Jtsummers wrote: post #113

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If they get 30 (?) hits then they review the data and then they refer it to law enforcement if the reviewers determine that they were CSAM images. It's not for a single collision and it's not immediately referred to law enforcement. There are still major risks and concerns with this model, but at least describe it correctly.

How do they review the data if your iCloud photos are E2E encrypted?

iCloud photos are not E2E encrypted. Apple has announced no plans whatsoever to make them such. Apple, their sysadmins, and the government can see every photo you have in iCloud.

Apple had plans (and, an inside source tells me, an implementation) to do E2E for iCloud Backup, but the FBI asked them not to, so they scrapped it:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusiv...

This undermines the credibility of those who are claiming, without evidence, that this clientside CSAM scanning is a prelude to launching E2E for iCloud data.

Re: iOS 15

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Post by danudey »

arenaninja wrote: post #94
DanTheManPR wrote: post #58

Apple continues to support OS updates on the iPhone 6s, a device released almost 6 years ago. Nor is it reserved for their flagship models - the 2016 iPhone SE also gets the latest and greatest. Meanwhile, my flagship android phone from 2018, the Samsung Galaxy S9, is stuck on the last version of Android. At least it still gets security updates, some manufacturers don't even go that far.

This is why I started buying iPhones. The resale value of a device after 2 years of usage is over 50% of the original cost if it's in good condition OEM quality is all over the place for Android, crapware is standard. It's been 4 years of iPhone for me and the only complaint I have is how bad Apple Maps can be

I bought my iPhone 13 Pro, and there was an option right there on the page to trade in my existing hardware. I chose yes, and, because I bought that phone with my same apple account which I also have linked to the hardware, my phone showed up right there as an option. I tapped on it, said yes it's in good condition, and got like $530 CDN off my purchase.

Could I sell my phone for more than $530? Yes. Is it worth my time to deal with asshats on Craigslist who arrange a time to meet up and then ghost you for three days, just to get a bit more out of it? Nah.

(Despite initially trying to sell it, my iPhone Xs sat on a shelf for two years until someone saw it and said "Hey are you selling that? My phone is dying.")

Presumably that also means that the phone is going to get refurbished, or maybe stripped for parts and recycled by Apple's fancy disassembly robots, which is nice.

Re: iOS 15

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Post by InvaderFizz »

Taywee wrote: post #152
SkyMarshal wrote: post #124

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How do Google's pure Android phones compare in this regard? Are they supported for longer? Eg, is this premature ending of support a Samsung thing, or is it endemic to the whole Android ecosystem, including Google?

Usually get 3 years. Pixel 3 launched in October 2018, and its updates end in about a month. I feel like that's still way too short, and causes many millions of still-usable phones to be trashed or recycled every year. Aftermarket OSes aren't an option for a lot of people, because some apps will refuse to run on an unofficial OS.

A lot of aftermarket Pixels are useless because they have a locked boot loader as well. So even if you wanted to run an unofficial rom, you can't. This has tanked the resale value of these phones, which I'm sure the carriers are fine with.

Re: iOS 15

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Post by sneak »

aborsy wrote: post #11

Is there a timeline for the client side scanning?! Or has that plan been dropped for good?! Cause I am not gonna upgrade if these features come at a cost to privacy caused by client side scanning.

According to Apple, it's been postponed.

It's obvious that people as smart as Apple wouldn't be doing this tremendous damage to their brand if they weren't deadset on launching it, so it's likely that it will launch quietly later, once the furor over it has died down.

Re: iOS 15

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Post by nicoburns »

rootusrootus wrote: post #143
nicoburns wrote: post #132

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> Invariably they go on 50% off sale within a year for the flagship models, which tanks their resale value. My strategy for my last phone was to buy the previous year's flagship for this reason.

That is a good strategy. I could have saved a good chunk of change by not insisting that I have the latest shiny.

It worked out pretty well. Paid ~£300 for a second hand Samsung S7 mid 2017 and it lasted until last month (so ~4 years) where it completely died (stuck on the rebooted and then stuck on the boot screen getting really hot). Somehow it was even still getting occasional security updates, although I think that was just luck.

Currently using a cheap backup device I normally use for app dev while I workout what my plan for the next one is.

Re: iOS 15

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Post by tim333 »

GeekyBear wrote: post #144
mdasen wrote: post #99

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It's so aggravating on the Android side. While a Motorola One 5G Ace might not be a flagship, it came out in 2021 and I'm stuck on Android 10. I don't know if Motorola (who says I should expect Android 11) is the issue or if it's my carrier. Android 11 came out 4 months before the Motorola One 5G Ace came out. A year later, no Android 11. I guess it's probably even more frustrating if you're paying Apple-like prices…

The original iPhone SE was $399 back in 2016 and is starting its sixth year of OS and security update support. You can get both an affordable device and many years of support after the sale.

I bought my one used but like new for a bit over $130 or so. It's a very cheap way to have really quite a nice phone.
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