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6th Generation Stealth Fighter: Joint Effort by UK, Japan, Italy and Sweden?

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Re: 6th Generation Stealth Fighter: Joint Effort by UK, Japan, Italy and Sweden?

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> “We want to be able to upgrade, advance [and] develop our capabilities ourselves, and as sovereign countries inside the partnership, each partner has that goal,” Commodore Moreton explained. Is this flexibility really a worthy goal? I feel like it would be better for these countries to reduce the number of variables and work to scalably and cheaply build many of them. It doesn’t have to be one plane for every missi…

I think it's because Britain in particular is desperate to get outside support for the programme whereas the Swedes and Japanese want to get access to technology but design their own aircraft.

So the only way to get them onboard is to make the association loose. I can't tell if this is good or bad - it might mean that the Swedes will make something affordable out of it and the rest will blow billions on various Golden Geese (is that the right term?).

There's some interesting Japanese technology - e.g. their AESA missile radars would go into the Meteor to bring it far out ahead of anything else. Also I think they have some ceramics in their fighter engines etc which are of high interest.

Re: 6th Generation Stealth Fighter: Joint Effort by UK, Japan, Italy and Sweden?

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Now that’s an interesting random group for a collaboration.

Not in the defense world. These are sophisticated defense engineering hotspots who collaborate to make up for not having America's money.

Why then and not France, Germany, the Netherlands, etc.?

Re: 6th Generation Stealth Fighter: Joint Effort by UK, Japan, Italy and Sweden?

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s called cruise missiles

Cruise missiles are like a million bucks a pop.

Yes. So would drones with crazy ranges, speeds and ability to stop threats.

Re: 6th Generation Stealth Fighter: Joint Effort by UK, Japan, Italy and Sweden?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not in the defense world. These are sophisticated defense engineering hotspots who collaborate to make up for not having America's money.

Why then and not France, Germany, the Netherlands, etc.?

Italy - believe it or not - has top notch expertise in producing military and space technology. I recall they also export lots of military equipment, of all types.

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#38

If you are going to create an expensive, outdated when first created machine in an effort to create jobs... why not create jobs and solve an actual need / problem at the same time.

This is a tired argument, and slightly hypocritical. Usually, the same people are proponents of not-so-useful but indirectly beneficial science projects and space exploration. But when it comes to military, the same reasoning gets thrown out of the window. Defense is a necessary evil and history has shown that things go from peaceful to high-tension heated global theater in no time. The inertia of training people to…

This is a valuable point. I know you're right but I still find myself bristling at some of the defense projects that don't seem necessary to me. But there is value in maintaining the expertise and processes.

Re: 6th Generation Stealth Fighter: Joint Effort by UK, Japan, Italy and Sweden?

#39

If you are going to create an expensive, outdated when first created machine in an effort to create jobs... why not create jobs and solve an actual need / problem at the same time.

US is absurdly ahead in fighter development that countries need to pool together to develop alternative or be wholey dependant for foreseeable future. There's also political / tehcnical strings to using US fighters, which are dominating market and pushing out other manufacturers while US is historically also extremely stingy on tech transfer for joint developments. UK/JP/IT running F35. Sweden/UK/JP all have industrial knowledge. US also focusing on NGAD system which might be too finicky for export. There's a vaccuum and market for alternative. These are also countries who can't procure from PRC / Russia.

Re: 6th Generation Stealth Fighter: Joint Effort by UK, Japan, Italy and Sweden?

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s called cruise missiles

Cruise missiles are like a million bucks a pop.

A regular guided bomb dropped from a plane is like $250,000 though.The F-35 is forecasted to cost something like $7.8 million per plane per year.
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