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It's actually the interference of the driver that stops the turn halfway, and steers towards the people at the left starting to cross that street.
I wonder what would have happened when the driver didn't interfere. I guess that the right turn would have been completed without any problem.
But maybe I'm missing some extra info here?
Maximise the video and watch the left hand HUD pane from 0:10 to 0:11. The dotted black line coming from the front of the car (which I am assuming is the intended route) quickly snaps from straight ahead, to a hair pin right, to a normal right turn. Ignoring the fact that the right turn happened to be into a pedestrian crossing with people on it - what was the car even trying to do? The sat-nav shows it should have j…
Keep watching the HUD pane - before the driver takes over, it corrects and decides to go straight. In fact, it's turning the wheel to the left before the driver stops the correction. I think this is a navigation issue. This is exactly what I would have done if I had a passenger yell "WAIT TURN RIGHT TURN RIGHT oh nevermind GO STRAIGHT"
The car was driving 11 mph. The obvious thing to do is very simple: hit the brakes! Stop, re-evaluate, and then continue.
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Keep watching the HUD pane - before the driver takes over, it corrects and decides to go straight. In fact, it's turning the wheel to the left before the driver stops the correction. I think this is a navigation issue. This is exactly what I would have done if I had a passenger yell "WAIT TURN RIGHT TURN RIGHT oh nevermind GO STRAIGHT"
So blindly follow random instructions without making sure it's the safe thing to do? The car was driving 11 mph. The obvious thing to do is very simple: hit the brakes! Stop, re-evaluate, and then continue.
What exactly would the machine evaluate in a couple seconds that it can’t do instantly?
This is near the infamous monorail where previous versions of FSD would kamikaze into the giant concrete pillars. Presumably in response to the monorail failure Tesla updated their obstacle avoidance to handle unclassified objects. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1437322712339423237?s=21 From the nav you can see the car is trying to go straight but swerves around some invisible obstacle. I wouldn’t be surprised i…
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That's definitely illegal and definitely happens all the time. Except it usually happens when the pedestrian has already passed the area where you'd turn through or the intersection is enormous and the pedestrian just started crossing the other side. I'd expect FSD to follow the law in this case though.
Going behind pedestrians in a crosswalk is legal in many states. It's universal that you must yield to pedestrians in a crosswalk, but not universal that you must wait for them to clear the crosswalk.
Not in the state in which this particular Tesla was being driven:
"The operator of an approaching vehicle shall stop and remain stopped to allow a pedestrian, bicycle, or personal delivery device to cross the roadway..."
"almost hitting pedestrian" It wasn't even close. Look at where the ped is at 12 seconds, compared to the car. It's because he stopped the turn, and straightened the vehicle that the pedestrian stopped and looked up with concern (at 13 seconds). Even if the pedestrian broke out into a full run, they wouldn't have been in any real danger. This sort of close interplay between pedestrians and cars is very common in citi…
Almost hitting is an exaggeration, but making a right turn while pedestrians have started crossing at an intersection is a 100% incorrect (and likely illegal) action. It's concerning to me that the "full self driving" car cannot successfully handle this very common everyday occurrence.
We know that pedestrians were far enough not to feel threatened as they waved back responding to drivers wave. Police was at the intersection also and they did not look concerned either.
"almost hitting pedestrian" It wasn't even close. Look at where the ped is at 12 seconds, compared to the car. It's because he stopped the turn, and straightened the vehicle that the pedestrian stopped and looked up with concern (at 13 seconds). Even if the pedestrian broke out into a full run, they wouldn't have been in any real danger. This sort of close interplay between pedestrians and cars is very common in citi…
You must yield to pedestrian in crosswalk, how far away the pedestrian is does not matter.
If a driver is trying to turn right, and the pedestrian has just entered the crosswalk other side of the street, 40 ft away, it seems stupid to wait for them to clear the whole 40 ft when your right turn doesn't put them at risk. I say that even when I'm the pedestrian in that situation.[1]
If the worst thing about SDCs that they do these kinds of violations (which would also include going 62 in a 60 mph zone), then I would say SDCs are a solved problem.. Though to be clear, Teslas are not at that point!
[1] Not just idle talk -- I cross East Riverside Drive in Austin a lot on foot, where this exact situation is common.
Maximise the video and watch the left hand HUD pane from 0:10 to 0:11. The dotted black line coming from the front of the car (which I am assuming is the intended route) quickly snaps from straight ahead, to a hair pin right, to a normal right turn. Ignoring the fact that the right turn happened to be into a pedestrian crossing with people on it - what was the car even trying to do? The sat-nav shows it should have j…
There is a "no right turn" sign just before it decides to turn right. Could that have anything to do with it?