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Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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"almost hitting pedestrian" It wasn't even close. Look at where the ped is at 12 seconds, compared to the car. It's because he stopped the turn, and straightened the vehicle that the pedestrian stopped and looked up with concern (at 13 seconds). Even if the pedestrian broke out into a full run, they wouldn't have been in any real danger. This sort of close interplay between pedestrians and cars is very common in citi…

I agree, but this is probably the worst behavior I've seen of the FSD software. It abruptly tried to do a right turn on a no-right intersection with no warning (map said it was supposed to go straight, it looked like it was going to do that right up to the last second). Putting aside the "almost hitting a pedestrian", this is really dangerous behavior for an autonomous vehicle.

As a human driver, in this area, I've made a right turn there. (Well, not this intersection, the next right turn from it)

https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6175579,-122.3456341,3a,90y,...

Even Google Maps has a car turning right here. I've always read those signs that you can't turn right from the left lane. It's confusing, for sure.

https://mynorthwest.com/1186128/slalom-seattle-monorail-colu...

This article seems to agree (and bonus, you can slalom through the columns). You can turn so long as you're not crossing lanes.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

#122

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Petition to label all Teslas with FSD as student drivers. They need a little LED panel that tells you when the driver is using the AI.

I agree - but do you think if they did that the haters would stop hating ?

Assuming by hater you mean "someone who is scared by Full Self Driving including cars veering into pedestrians", it'd help me: I'm in an urban area and don't have a car, and I'd be lying if I claimed I wasn't always scared when I see a Tesla approach when I'm in a crosswalk, I'm never sure if Full Self Driving is on or not.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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I did not see a no right turn sign. ed: modeless 1 hour ago >That sign applies only to the lanes to the left of the pillars. It is legal to turn right there from the right lane. I've done it myself. Yes, it is confusing.

Look again. It is on one of the pillars in the median, shortly before the turn.

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Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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But what does "yield" mean? It means slow down, and proceed when it's safe to do so. If a pedestrian starts crossing a 4-lane road and I have time to turn across his path without making him stop or deviate, then I can proceed safely and I think I've met the definition of "yield"

In Washington, where the video was recorded, the rule is that you must stop and remain stopped as long as there are pedestrians in the crosswalk in in your half of the roadway or within one lane of your half of the roadway. "Half of the roadway" is defined as all traffic lanes carrying traffic in one direction. In the case of a one-way road such as the one in the video "half of the roadway" is the whole road. In your…

It is interesting how different the law is from behavior. Walking through Seattle, I would not expect that this was the law considering how often people will cross in front of and behind you (both of which I’m fine with).

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

#125

Maximise the video and watch the left hand HUD pane from 0:10 to 0:11. The dotted black line coming from the front of the car (which I am assuming is the intended route) quickly snaps from straight ahead, to a hair pin right, to a normal right turn. Ignoring the fact that the right turn happened to be into a pedestrian crossing with people on it - what was the car even trying to do? The sat-nav shows it should have j…

There is a "no right turn" sign just before it decides to turn right. Could that have anything to do with it?

There's also a "One way ->" sign pointing to the right, maybe it thinks it's only allowed to go that way?

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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I agree - but do you think if they did that the haters would stop hating ?

Assuming by hater you mean "someone who is scared by Full Self Driving including cars veering into pedestrians", it'd help me: I'm in an urban area and don't have a car, and I'd be lying if I claimed I wasn't always scared when I see a Tesla approach when I'm in a crosswalk, I'm never sure if Full Self Driving is on or not.

"I'd be lying if I claimed I wasn't always scared when I see a Tesla approach when I'm in a crosswalk, I'm never sure if Full Self Driving is on or not."

Sure - which is why I said I agreed there should be some indication of it being in FSD or not, originally.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

#127
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This looks like a weird navigation failure. It certainly shouldn't have made this maneuver at all, but it's provably false to say it would have run over the pedestrians... this frame shows it: https://i.stack.imgur.com/2KymN.png Context - this is after the sudden sharp turn, as the driver is taking over. - We can see the system is still driving itself; the driver has not taken over and is not a factor. The blue steer…

Yeah, looks like it. Software could use some smoothing on its actions, though.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

#128

Maximise the video and watch the left hand HUD pane from 0:10 to 0:11. The dotted black line coming from the front of the car (which I am assuming is the intended route) quickly snaps from straight ahead, to a hair pin right, to a normal right turn. Ignoring the fact that the right turn happened to be into a pedestrian crossing with people on it - what was the car even trying to do? The sat-nav shows it should have j…

Looking at the video Tesla was probably not closer than 25 feet from any pedestrians. If pedestrians were closer I think their proximity would make the car stop as in other videos.

As to abrupt maneuver, EU limits rate of change for steering control and I think it would be wise for US to adopt something similar for driver assist systems.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

#129

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Assuming by hater you mean "someone who is scared by Full Self Driving including cars veering into pedestrians", it'd help me: I'm in an urban area and don't have a car, and I'd be lying if I claimed I wasn't always scared when I see a Tesla approach when I'm in a crosswalk, I'm never sure if Full Self Driving is on or not.

"I'd be lying if I claimed I wasn't always scared when I see a Tesla approach when I'm in a crosswalk, I'm never sure if Full Self Driving is on or not." Sure - which is why I said I agreed there should be some indication of it being in FSD or not, originally.

Sure - which is why I'm answering your question regarding how haters will feel under this proposed intervention, that yes, you've agreed with

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

#130

Maximise the video and watch the left hand HUD pane from 0:10 to 0:11. The dotted black line coming from the front of the car (which I am assuming is the intended route) quickly snaps from straight ahead, to a hair pin right, to a normal right turn. Ignoring the fact that the right turn happened to be into a pedestrian crossing with people on it - what was the car even trying to do? The sat-nav shows it should have j…

> I am astounded that software capable of these outputs is allowed on the roads.

Me too. However, in my encounter with software like this, it usually runs on meat brains.

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