> If they do want to put profit ahead of everything else, then whatever, but you don't get to defend them as doing the right thing for their employees. They're enabling the whole situation. IMHO, cooperating with an authoritarian regime in this way should be illegal, sort of like a sanctions violation. Cook and Pachai should go to jail for this. That consequence might clarify their thinking a little.
Hmmm. Withdraw the app and you go to jail. Don’t withdraw the app and your Russian employees go to jail
The only winning move is not to play (i.e. don't have offices in authoritarian states)
> If they do want to put profit ahead of everything else, then whatever, but you don't get to defend them as doing the right thing for their employees. They're enabling the whole situation. IMHO, cooperating with an authoritarian regime in this way should be illegal, sort of like a sanctions violation. Cook and Pachai should go to jail for this. That consequence might clarify their thinking a little.
Hmmm. Withdraw the app and you go to jail. Don’t withdraw the app and your Russian employees go to jail
Option 3: choose to make less money and don't have offices in countries with human rights records as bad as russia. I know this isn't realistic, because we can't expect a company to make less money. that'd be crazy!
> If they do want to put profit ahead of everything else, then whatever, but you don't get to defend them as doing the right thing for their employees. They're enabling the whole situation. IMHO, cooperating with an authoritarian regime in this way should be illegal, sort of like a sanctions violation. Cook and Pachai should go to jail for this. That consequence might clarify their thinking a little.
'authoritarian regime' is a slippery slope. There can be clear human violations, but at what point does a government become authoritarian? USA has plenty of violations on its shoulders, perhaps complicit in many others. I would not call it authoritarian but it has been repressive (Citing USA as a clear example, not picking on particular politics). Genocide is distinctively clear from freedom of expression, so by no m…
Why do you always bring up USA when people are talking about injustices in other countries?
> I'm not from Scandinavia and the vast majority of US politicians look like interchangeable parts to me as well. USA citizen. What's hilarious is that 10 years ago, I would have readily agreed with you. Both parties were too deeply beholden to special interests and corporate interests. There were some policy differences, but not that much, really. In the last five years, however, one party has gone completely batshi…
The way I see it, one party has gone dumb, and the other party is obviously going evil (I am from Russia so you can guess what I think of leftism). The question is whether you prefer your government dumb or evil; I think dumb is... the lesser of two evils. But I can agree on the timing aspect, I'd vote for Obama OR Romney over literally any politician prominent in 2021.
If you're from Russia, what part of the Democratic party looks like "leftism" to you?
Same with geolocation permission. A maps app that has to ask permission for your location every time is at a major disadvantage.
Might be fixed in the iOS 15 beta. Also could be workaround, but looks complicated: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/39665367/how-to-prevent-...
That "workaround" is only available for store apps, not PWAs. Apple would love if every web developer had to submit to their app store just to add features like geolocation and camera and notifications. And that's exactly what happens today.
'authoritarian regime' is a slippery slope. There can be clear human violations, but at what point does a government become authoritarian? USA has plenty of violations on its shoulders, perhaps complicit in many others. I would not call it authoritarian but it has been repressive (Citing USA as a clear example, not picking on particular politics). Genocide is distinctively clear from freedom of expression, so by no m…
Why do you always bring up USA when people are talking about injustices in other countries? Every time.
Except that by this point, all this is expected behaviour. If companies don't want to be complicit in these crimes, they need to extricate themselves from the country and cut all ties. If they do want to put profit ahead of everything else, then whatever, but you don't get to defend them as doing the right thing for their employees. They're enabling the whole situation. [Edit to bring in a sister question] "Why don't…
> If they do want to put profit ahead of everything else, then whatever, but you don't get to defend them as doing the right thing for their employees. They're enabling the whole situation. IMHO, cooperating with an authoritarian regime in this way should be illegal, sort of like a sanctions violation. Cook and Pachai should go to jail for this. That consequence might clarify their thinking a little.
Agreed. There should be a lot of employees from Twitter, Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc. slapped with very punishing fines and possible jail sentences for "cooperating with an authoritarian regime" the past few years. By the time of the election (e.g. the Biden laptop story), they weren't even pretending to be neutral platforms. They were corrupt crony partisans boot-stomping on the public square, and we should ensure that type of behavior is absolutely not tolerated in a free society.
Hmmm. Withdraw the app and you go to jail. Don’t withdraw the app and your Russian employees go to jail
Fire your Russian employees. Then withdraw. Hurts but if history should learn us a thing or two one of them should be not to give in to dictators. The younger ones here are allowed to take a few minutes off to use their favorite search engine to look up the quote "peace in our time" by Chamberlain. Edit: It looks so simple the way I wrote it above. Please note that doing the right thing isn't easy. Telling lots of pe…
> Fire your Russian employees.
More like move them to a better place if they prefer this to simply terminating the contract. Benefits are numerous - retain already-hired quality personnel, have a good PR campaign about being moral and holy and doing the extra mile with bureaucracy (which would be true), grow some extra hairy balls overnight. Or something similar.
> Define "authoritarian regime" A simple rule of thumb definition (that could probably use some refinement) is regimes that are either explicitly anti-democratic or a sham democracy. Russia certainly falls into the latter category, as this very story demonstrates. In most cases, it's not that hard.
> as this very story demonstrates. This story is sufficient to demonstrate that Russia is a "sham democracy"? Does the fact that Twitter/Facebook/et al banned the NYPost in the run-up to the 2020 election as well as preventing people from sending links to NYPost articles in their DMs "demonstrate" anything about the US?
I mean..
> The Post, According to a survey conducted by Pace University in 2004, was rated the least credible major news outlet in New York.
Hmmm. Withdraw the app and you go to jail. Don’t withdraw the app and your Russian employees go to jail
Fire your Russian employees. Then withdraw. Hurts but if history should learn us a thing or two one of them should be not to give in to dictators. The younger ones here are allowed to take a few minutes off to use their favorite search engine to look up the quote "peace in our time" by Chamberlain. Edit: It looks so simple the way I wrote it above. Please note that doing the right thing isn't easy. Telling lots of pe…