Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin • Hacker News Board

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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Post by anticodon » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 2:06 PM UTC

vbezhenar wrote: post #10

Klaster_1 wrote: post #9

Previously, Google usually ignored such requests, but seems to have finally gave in. If they are willing to remove the app, what's next, disclosing personal information to help the regime with repressions, preventing access from Russia to other Google resources, removing YouTube videos? The "we comply with local laws" clause effectively puts citizens of opperssive regime at a disadvantage. It's not like I had an impr…

Google obeys Russian laws. Of course they'll disclose any information they have given proper police request. They did that many times in the past. With Russia and with other countries. Do you expect Google to go partisan war against Russian government?

Do you expect Google to go partisan war against Russian government?

Google already does this. It promotes opposition and western propaganda in the search results and YouTube.

If you're Russian and just register on YouTube, for the first few weeks you'll be flooded with videos of Navalny and his cronies.

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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Post by stevespang » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 2:06 PM UTC

Yep, Google, Apple bending over backwards for dictators/tyrants, as usual. It's always about the money . . .

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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Post by Guidii » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 2:08 PM UTC

hvdijk wrote: post #378

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's great that works for you. Other users have other priorities.

The claim was "no one wants x", the reply "I want x", your counter "others don't want x" as an attempt to dismiss the reply. That is unfair, the original claim that no one wants it was wrong and it was correct to point out that it was wrong.

The fundamental question is: would anyone choose to implement a messenger app as a PWA on a platform that doesn't support reliable notifications.

"Nobody wants...." is probably best interpreted as "No developers want to build..."

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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Post by anticodon » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 2:09 PM UTC

baybal2 wrote: post #174

vbezhenar wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google obeys Russian laws. Of course they'll disclose any information they have given proper police request. They did that many times in the past. With Russia and with other countries. Do you expect Google to go partisan war against Russian government?

Yes, Brin's $100B can arm a lot of Russians. $100B/$60k USD = 1.6 million soldiers feed, and armed for a year. If he is a patriotic Russia who he claims himself to be, he should do that instead.

Never seen that Brin stated he's patriot of Russia. Do you have any proofs?

Besides, arm who? Arm us, Russians to do what? Destroy our own country like e.g. Ukraine did?

So that western corporations destroy all the industry (suppress competition and create bigger market for western goods), destroy even agriculture (US and EU farmers would be happy to supply their food to a new market, keeping agriculture production in neo-colonies is not necessary)?

It all already happened in Ukraine, Georgia, to some lesser extent in Balitc states and Eastern Europe.

I really hope that our people are not stupid to fall into this trap.

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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Post by tremon » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 2:09 PM UTC

ethanbond wrote: post #128

martin_a wrote: post #97

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Don't stop there! What about terrorists, drug dealers and the organized crime?! We need to stop those, too!

I bet if those crimes were proliferating at the rate that CSAM is, a lot of people would be pursuing more active counter measures

What do you mean by CSAM proliferating? Do you have evidence already that CSAM's image database is being used in a much wider scope than Apple is claiming?

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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Post by anticodon » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 2:12 PM UTC

baybal2 wrote: post #383

chupasaurus wrote: post #372

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That's 1.5 times the Russian regular army, which could be tripled in a week with mobilization. Not gonna work.

It will, because the mobilisation will of course not work. Nobody want to die for Putin. That's why he switched to mercenaries in Ukraine, because use of regular troops regularly returning to Russia in bodybags was about to become the straw which would've broken camel's back.

That's a huge misconception. But I guess it would be better for Russia if you continue to live in your dreams.

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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Post by ansible » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 2:13 PM UTC

jhgb wrote: post #262

Arech wrote: post #254

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No it is not. (if you really "living in Scandinavia") You literally don't understand what are you talking about, which is damn obvious when you comparing Scandinavia or even US to Russia. You basically comparing Tesla car to horse-drawn carriage and draw similarities on a basis that both have 4 wheels and therefore they are both great and safe transportation devices.

I'm not from Scandinavia and the vast majority of US politicians look like interchangeable parts to me as well.

> I'm not from Scandinavia and the vast majority of US politicians look like interchangeable parts to me as well.

USA citizen. What's hilarious is that 10 years ago, I would have readily agreed with you. Both parties were too deeply beholden to special interests and corporate interests. There were some policy differences, but not that much, really.

In the last five years, however, one party has gone completely batshit insane. Norms, precedent, common decency, acceptance of basic facts, acceptance of basic common sense... these have all gone out the window. And been replaced with cult-like unwavering loyalty to a single man.

The other party, though still frequently dissapointingly inept and incompetent, now has my unhesitating support. It is not even close in my mind anymore.

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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Post by busymom0 » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 2:13 PM UTC

Dma54rhs wrote: post #386

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #195

It is important to note, that in Apple's case the problem is made worse by the fact that on iOS there are no ways to install the app bypassing the appstore. That makes Apple's cooperation with dictators and authocrats so much worse for their users. You know, the people Apple claims to care about and 'protect'.

Rainbow flag once a month bails them out as usual.

They also care so much about the environment that they release almost identical phones each year with no ability to change batteries, plus make it as hard as possible to replace batteries. Any corporation which promises social Justice is a farce exploiting issues as pawns.

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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Post by codedokode » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 2:13 PM UTC

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #367

kurokikaze wrote: post #103

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It's voting for the candidate most likely to win against the main party's candidates. The app's purpose is to concentrate protest voters on one candidate without spreading them over all of them.

Isn't there a lot of evidence that Russia's elections are rigged? Like turnout percentages have ridiculous percentages of ratios that end in 0 and 5 - as do growth in turnout.

Sometimes they are, but (mostly in large cities) people sign up as election monitors to prevent it. Sadly, most of 90 000 polling stations are not monitored by independent observers.

The main way to control elections now is not letting opposition candidates to get into the ballot. For example, on this elections many candidates were rejected because they are "linked" to Navalny's organisation that was admitted as an extremist organization by the court. Some people are rejected because the signatures they have collected are deemed invalid. Obviously you cannot win if you cannot get into the ballot.

There also is electronic voting (voting over Internet) which is difficult to monitor. It is also worth noting that while you can vote over Internet, you cannot collect more than 50% of required signatures for being added to a ballot this way.

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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Post by hvdijk » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 2:15 PM UTC

Guidii wrote: post #393

hvdijk wrote: post #378

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The claim was "no one wants x", the reply "I want x", your counter "others don't want x" as an attempt to dismiss the reply. That is unfair, the original claim that no one wants it was wrong and it was correct to point out that it was wrong.

The fundamental question is: would anyone choose to implement a messenger app as a PWA on a platform that doesn't support reliable notifications. "Nobody wants...." is probably best interpreted as "No developers want to build..."

The idea of PWAs is that you make them once and they'll work on all platforms. The reality doesn't quite live up to that idea as this thread shows, but to me the idea to have single-platform PWAs still seems so odd that I would not interpret it that way. Still, if that was what was meant, then sure, I think I agree.