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Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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Reuters doesn't report this, but the government officials threatened the companies (Apple and Google) with jail time for their employees yesterday. After that the companies finally conceded. There's a short video fragment from the meeting of the government officials and the companies representatives. It's worth watching, especially if you come from a democratic nation. Letting your Russian employees be persecuted don…

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Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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> What makes you think you know better what is good for the Russian people and the opposition groups than Russians and the opposition groups themselves? Because if regime's economy collapses, the regime will collapse sooner.

Regime collapse doesn't mean something better will replace it. Russia collapsed end of the 80s, but what replaced it leaves a lot to be desired...

And it did, because the West left half way, and never backed Yelzin at finally dismantling the system.

It was critical.

And after he had his second stroke, he was a walking vegetable basically, and the opportunity was lost.

You are very demoralised.

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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Reuters doesn't report this, but the government officials threatened the companies (Apple and Google) with jail time for their employees yesterday. After that the companies finally conceded. There's a short video fragment from the meeting of the government officials and the companies representatives. It's worth watching, especially if you come from a democratic nation. Letting your Russian employees be persecuted don…

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Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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Perhaps they don't want people to use their devices for child abuse? Radical idea I know.

You’re not wrong, it could be as simple as that. What’s got some people up in arms isn’t that. The police in America have proven repeatedly that they will ignore individual freedoms to look indiscriminately for people doing bad things. Apple creates a tool that enables pattern matching without consent. But they promise they won’t use it for more than CSAM, and that only they will hold the keys. Okay so imagine that y…

The police will only be involved after their scanner has found 30 matches and Apple’s reviewer has manually concluded that it actually is CSAM, so I don’t see how the police is really relevant?

If HOA means home owners association, I don’t see the connection. They can’t influence Apple either.

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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It is important to note, that in Apple's case the problem is made worse by the fact that on iOS there are no ways to install the app bypassing the appstore.

That makes Apple's cooperation with dictators and authocrats so much worse for their users. You know, the people Apple claims to care about and 'protect'.

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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> Very sad when not even the massively rich will bother to do the right thing. The issue is Google and Apple isn't owned by one massively rich person. They are owned by tens of thousands of shareholders, many extremely wealthy but most small, including both individual investors but also pension funds and hedge funds, and the CEO & Board are legally obligated to act in their fiduciary interest.

> CEO & Board are legally obligated to act in their fiduciary interest. Short or long term? Because shitting on democracy for money is potentially very damaging for brands in the long term, the market and especially future comptetitors will remember it.

I doubt that is true. The loss in the US versus all the money made in Russia and China? A drop in a sea of money. Also not everyone, especially outside the US, sees this as Democracy Vs. Bad regimes. Many see the US and China as equally bad so doing the US' bidding is no better than doing China's.

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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Integrity of what exactly?

This is the definition of Integrity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrity It means that whatever apple says, they are only driven by the market. Any stance they have on privacy or security is pure bullshit, they don't and will never give a crap about it, they only care about their revenue, otherwise they wouldn't be in China for example. In this case, it proves that whatever they say about their stupid store and a…

When Apple said that they will go vigilante to serve their customers?

It's kind of obvious that any claim they make is implied to be within the limits of the government. Like every other legal company ever.

There were no cannabis Apps in the US App Store up until the US decided to allow it. Were the users wronged by Apple when it was illegal?

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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post #165

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> What makes you think you know better what is good for the Russian people and the opposition groups than Russians and the opposition groups themselves? Because if regime's economy collapses, the regime will collapse sooner.

Collapsing economies simply make autocrats double down even harder on autocracy. North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, Zimbabwe. There are numerous examples of this. It simply multiplies the misery.

Why is this even relevant? You always have to keep heads of your enemies down. That's basic common sense.

Dictatorships are the enemies of the Free World. Or, do you think they are friends, perhaps?

They are your enemies, and you keep their economies ruined.

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> Very sad when not even the massively rich will bother to do the right thing. This is so bizarre, what did people expect here? Apple has been complying with Chinese communist party demands for decades and who knows what Google did. But when it's the Russian government, it's where people on HN draw the line? These companies certainly want their phones/ecosystem to be sold or used in Russia, they only care about whate…

Apple gets lambasted for activities in China all the time by many of the same people

And many of the same people likely buy iPhones.

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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Perhaps they don't want people to use their devices for child abuse? Radical idea I know.

Are they stopping the pictures being taken? Because the actual cloud uploading isn't child abuse, it's 90% the taking and 10% the sharing with other human beings. (Which only applies to the small subset of casm which is child abuse, rather than the majority which is "sexy" selfies)

100% of the CSAM they scan for is child abuse.
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