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Re: Gnome to prevent theming, wider community not happy

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Post by mosaic_school »

cheesetable wrote: post #8

I've been using GNOME 40 for the past few months, and I'm impressed with the level of quality: intuitiveness, polish, features. This software works well on my Pinephone too. I'm happy to trade my flexibility to allow the GNOME the flexibility to make improvements that benefit all. I understand some want more flexibility, however.

I have exactly the same experience. Actually switched from Ubuntu to Arch to have a vanilla Gnome 40.

Maybe we should just admit that this is the Gnome Way. If customization is super important for you, maybe KDE, .. are the better options. There's a choice. =)

Re: Gnome to prevent theming, wider community not happy

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Post by type0 »

esarbe wrote: post #17

This might be relevant: In 2019 at Guadec there was a meeting between interested parties with regards to theming.[0] This was the meeting where the current direction of Gnome theming was decided on[1][2]. System76 was obviously (see[0]) a participating party at that meeting. At that meeting it was decided that everyone at the meeting should contribute to the theming api. System76 at the time announced that they "Firs…

> Which has been implemented and delivered.

what good is it when it was delivered in a broken state for many legacy GTK applications?

Re: Gnome to prevent theming, wider community not happy

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Post by herbst »

cheesetable wrote: post #8

I've been using GNOME 40 for the past few months, and I'm impressed with the level of quality: intuitiveness, polish, features. This software works well on my Pinephone too. I'm happy to trade my flexibility to allow the GNOME the flexibility to make improvements that benefit all. I understand some want more flexibility, however.

Gnome is so little visible in my workflow I don't care what it looks like. It's the most out of my way and always there for me Desktop I've seen so far.

Re: Gnome to prevent theming, wider community not happy

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Post by dTal »

malmz wrote: post #16
vondur wrote: post #4

Does QT have some sort of issues with free software licenses? I wonder why QT hasn’t been used as widely as GTK. Maybe I’m mixing up GTK with Gnome?

People always talk about the license and stuff but personally, i always shy away from Qt because the only real choice for language is C++ and maybe python. Gtk being written in C gives it much more flexibility in what languages can bind to it.

I think this is the biggest reason. Qt is half a GUI toolkit, half an elaborate library for making programming in C++ more bearable. It even has a custom preprocessor. Generating bindings for it is nearly impossible. C++ isn't the only game in town for desktop programming anymore.

It's a shame because as a user, Qt is the most pleasant of all the toolkits.

Re: Gnome to prevent theming, wider community not happy

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Post by mathw »

type0 wrote: post #23

What would happen to the high contrast option? Will it become obsolete too? My older relative is dependent on it, this would be a pain to migrate them to the new desktop environment.

In the post announcing libadwaita, it said that the Adwaita stylesheet "including its HighContrast and HighContrastInverse variants" was going to become part of the library. So don't worry, it's not going anywhere!

GNOME as a project does put a lot of effort into accessibility, they're not just going to throw those themes away. I think the key realisation here is that they consider them to be Adwaita variants, not entirely new themes.

Re: Gnome to prevent theming, wider community not happy

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Post by mathw »

rektide wrote: post #2

android is just getting the ability to let users pick their colors & here's a bunch of appdeves irked that they cant override the user's ability to pick colors on linux. i for one really really liked when i could make a nice theme, a look & feel for my computer. that was a cool time. i dont know what the third way is. letting apps express power over the users sounds bad. wider fommunity here sounds like cantankerous…

They're working on colour choices within Adwaita, which is basically what Android 12's Material You stuff is doing (that's just AI-powered and automagical).

What Android isn't adding is the ability to plug in a library that completely changes the way all the widgets render and which everyone writing applications has to step very carefully around because you never know what anything you write is ever going to look like (but you know users will moan about it).

Re: Gnome to prevent theming, wider community not happy

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Post by nix23 »

mosaic_school wrote: post #21
cheesetable wrote: post #8

I've been using GNOME 40 for the past few months, and I'm impressed with the level of quality: intuitiveness, polish, features. This software works well on my Pinephone too. I'm happy to trade my flexibility to allow the GNOME the flexibility to make improvements that benefit all. I understand some want more flexibility, however.

I have exactly the same experience. Actually switched from Ubuntu to Arch to have a vanilla Gnome 40. Maybe we should just admit that this is the Gnome Way. If customization is super important for you, maybe KDE, .. are the better options. There's a choice. =)

>Ubuntu to Arch to have a vanilla Gnome 40

I did exactly the same ~4mo ago, vanilla Gnome on Arch is blazing fast compared to the Ubuntu one...hell the whole system is, and the archinstaller is great! Perfect KISS i would say, if one need's more then do it the "old" way.

However Gnome40 was just installed to test it, since i use i3 normally, i cant stand the Windows shuffling anymore, it makes me just angry to sort the space on my screen, and i don't even use the tilling thing "correctly" just tabs, virtual desktops and sometimes a floating window.

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